Horner in trouble at Red Bull

[Davil]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

This French woman understands why they're called bumpers..

Mon ami , ne te casse pas la tête (!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n51OdFlOi1o

This is actually completely accurate.

I had some French customers in my prior corporate working life. Weirdly enough one of then was BWT. I spent a bit of time over there working with French customers. Lovely people. Intelligent and creative but I honestly have no idea how anything gets done. You can’t have a coffee alone, everyone must meet and talk. You can’t have lunch alone. Everyone dines together. The government provides vouchers and people take 2 hours+ and drink wine. After you get back it’s not very productive.

[wizardofOz]

Originally Posted by Davil

This is actually completely accurate.

I had some French customers in my prior corporate working life. Weirdly enough one of then was BWT. I spent a bit of time over there working with French customers. Lovely people. Intelligent and creative but I honestly have no idea how anything gets done. You can’t have a coffee alone, everyone must meet and talk. You can’t have lunch alone. Everyone dines together. The government provides vouchers and people take 2 hours+ and drink wine. After you get back it’s not very productive.

That's what you call working ...Working to dine together..Working hard to drink wine....And stuff

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Davil

What have you got against Hadjar? That would be career ending before it really began.

Why career ending? It's just the way people automatically think and it ain't necessarily so.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

This French woman understands why they're called bumpers..

Mon ami , ne te casse pas la tête (!)

Poor MR2 ! Cramped and squeeze in Paris is just crazy but at least there is parking compared to the present 'Mayors' London car hate with parking restrictions seemingly everywhere.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by Davil

What have you got against Hadjar? That would be career ending before it really began.

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Why career ending? It's just the way people automatically think and it ain't necessarily so.

I gotta agree with Davil on this one. Hadjar seems to be a great prospect who I expect to have a long career in F1. No championship for RedBull this year so just leave him in the sister team until RB gets there $hit together. Hadjar is so young a move to RB could break his confidence forever.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

I gotta agree with Davil on this one. Hadjar seems to be a great prospect who I expect to have a long career in F1. No championship for RedBull this year so just leave him in the sister team until RB gets there $hit together. Hadjar is so young a move to RB could break his confidence forever.

He might just take to it like a duck to water with the upgraded 21 that's coming, that's why Marko/Mekies need to push him in. RBR are my #1 team above anything else and it's unlikely Hadjar being of Algerian descent would be easily broken like the others.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

It was no fluke that MAX got pole at the BGP and circumstances dictated his 5th place finish, so the 21 is finally heading in the right direction.
Right now the important issue is that Hadjar must be shoehorned into the team asap.

For the record: without the crucial tow from Antonelli (smart 'catch' by Verstappen), Verstappen wouldn't have gotten the pole in Silverstone. The McLarens are the fastest of the field. But their drivers aren't as streetwise as Verstappen who's damn hard to get outfoxed.

But, true, it's fascinating to behold how Verstappen squeezes all out of the RB21, on the limit, maximum risk. With best efforts, he's playing the cards he's dealt with by RBR. The car is no match for the McLarens, but Verstappen's capabilities compensate to some extent the 'shortcomings' of the RB21 and those of Piastri and Norris: at least we get some 'battles' at the front rather than McLaren demolishing the whole field, permanently driving off in the distance.

Reality-check: if Verstappen would be driving one of the 2025 McLaren cars, we all know how the WDC would end, don't we ?

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

He might just take to it like a duck to water with the upgraded 21 that's coming, that's why Marko/Mekies need to push him in. RBR are my #1 team above anything else and it's unlikely Hadjar being of Algerian descent would be easily broken like the others.

Maybe, but I'd like to see Tsunoda get closer to Max before they push him into the deep end.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Artemis

For the record: without the crucial tow from Antonelli (smart 'catch' by Verstappen), Verstappen wouldn't have gotten the pole in Silverstone. The McLarens are the fastest of the field. But their drivers aren't as streetwise as Verstappen who's damn hard to get outfoxed.

But, true, it's fascinating to behold how Verstappen squeezes all out of the RB21, on the limit, maximum risk. With best efforts, he's playing the cards he's dealt with by RBR. The car is no match for the McLarens, but Verstappen's capabilities compensate to some extent the 'shortcomings' of the RB21 and those of Piastri and Norris: at least we get some 'battles' at the front rather than McLaren demolishing the whole field, permanently driving off in the distance.

Reality-check: if Verstappen would be driving one of the 2025 McLaren cars, we all know how the WDC would end, don't we ?

I've lost count of the times I've heard that but no, he won't be driving there and Brown is just teasing the RBR team only because they currently have an advantage.
As far as getting a tow from ANT for the pole at the BGP, MAX was in the right slot at the right time so well done to the strat team who are doing their job, all in a days work.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Maybe, but I'd like to see Tsunoda get closer to Max before they push him into the deep end.

I doubt he will as he should have been nudging into the top ten by now, no points and out of time.

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by Artemis

For the record: without the crucial tow from Antonelli (smart 'catch' by Verstappen), Verstappen wouldn't have gotten the pole in Silverstone. The McLarens are the fastest of the field. But their drivers aren't as streetwise as Verstappen who's damn hard to get outfoxed.

But, true, it's fascinating to behold how Verstappen squeezes all out of the RB21, on the limit, maximum risk. With best efforts, he's playing the cards he's dealt with by RBR. The car is no match for the McLarens, but Verstappen's capabilities compensate to some extent the 'shortcomings' of the RB21 and those of Piastri and Norris: at least we get some 'battles' at the front rather than McLaren demolishing the whole field, permanently driving off in the distance.

Reality-check: if Verstappen would be driving one of the 2025 McLaren cars, we all know how the WDC would end, don't we ?

So if Hamilton was driving that car, he would not win!?!? I think the top 5-6 guys driving the fastest car all year would pretty much be crowned the champ