09-25-2013, 08:25 AM | #1 |
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Brake pads changed on BMW X1 S Drive?
Sorry if this has been beaten up already. But now that I have 1000 on my X1 the wheels are still clean! Every BMW I've owned in the past the wheels would collect massive amounts of black break dust. Evidently BMW changed the brake compounds. I do notice a little less initial bite, but I'm happy for the trade off for clean wheels and a clean car for weeks instead of hours! Anyone know when BMW changed to the clean pads? Is it on all their models?
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09-25-2013, 09:22 AM | #2 |
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I think it's a USA only thing (and may exclude the M Sport), and the braking distance went way up with the change. But they are cleaner than the older pads.
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09-25-2013, 09:53 AM | #3 |
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With the three series it was somewhere in MY2010. Though, it seems to be hit or miss as some later models have had what they believe to be the dustier, non-ceramic pads. My 2012 135i has the ceramic pads, 2013 X1 35i has the ceramic pads.
I am really surprised that any new BMWs are still being outfitted with the older pads. |
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09-25-2013, 10:03 AM | #4 |
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The older pads do work better and have better pedal feel, but I'd imagine the number of people new to BMW and European cars in general that complained about the dusting was enough to make them switch for our cars.
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09-25-2013, 12:28 PM | #5 |
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i understand if you have a 28i having break issues since they have a smaller break setup then on the 35i. This was another reason why i picked the 35i over the 28i. Also i noticed the breaks on my X1 are much better in terms of stopping power than on my e90.
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09-25-2013, 03:36 PM | #6 |
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I've not heard of 2.8 brake issues. Please be specific, with links to issues. Otherwise ill figure you're blowing smoke.
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09-25-2013, 03:50 PM | #7 |
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This. While the brakes are smaller on the 2.8, I certainly didn't notice it on test drives. I do find the initial bite of the newer pads feels great, but the actual braking performance is lacking, at least (unfairly) compared to our 135i with the old style of pads, or much more unfairly, my old M Coupe. I'd change to the old style pads in a second.
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Further, US F30s have had longer braking distances than E90s, even with better tires. The exception has been the M Sport which does still come with the old style, non US pads. |
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09-25-2013, 06:37 PM | #12 |
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I believe its tire related not brake related (stopping distance). I remember reading a recent road test and I get Autoweek, Automobile, Car and Driver and Motor Trend and they talked about how the one they were driving was much better than another they had tested and they attributed it to tires.The M Sport must have ceramic brakes because my wheels stay clean while my E93 335 wheels are dirty in a couple days.
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Tires appear to be the correct answer. The wife's busy. You're welcome.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...trumented-test http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...8i-test-review http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...rm-test-review |
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"Stops shorter than a school bus! Also has fewer seats. " Ouch. |
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It appears that it's only a tire issue though, as the summer tires on the M Sport shaved off ten meters of stopping distance. If two car lengths at 70 mph doesn't seem important, I guess I'm surprised, that's all. |
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And I know that the brakes on my X1 are not nearly as good as those on my 'E92 335i. Great brakes on that car! |
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09-26-2013, 02:49 PM | #21 |
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So as I originally stated with back up facts from Car and Driver it was the tires, as the last article says it stopped shorter than the 328 with the right tires. I try not to BS my way thru answers and I'm not accusing anyone of doing that just trying to go by almost 20 years of BMW ownership and 15 BMW's and a lot of reading since I'm retired.
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09-26-2013, 03:51 PM | #22 |
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I contend that it's a combination of the brakes plus LRR tires. The stock Goodyear runflat summer tires on my M Sport were LRR, and I was never happy with the braking performance. I replaced them with all-season DWS's about 15,000 miles ago, and the braking feel is actually about the same or maybe even marginally better. Switching from summer tires to all-seasons should have resulted in decreased performance.
Our Audi has the exact opposite problem ... outstanding performance but wholly-crap-I-can't-believe-how-dirty-my-wheels-are amounts of brake dust. (HBWT - as a former Q5 owner you know what I mean.) I'd love to have stock in the company that finally comes up with a low dust brake pad that actually performs. In the meantime, I guess larger ceramic brakes are the best compromise. Speaking of which, I wonder if the 35i's brakes can be retrofitted to the 28i? |
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