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However, if you don't want any extras and don't feel they give any extra value to you, the others may be just as good buys. |
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03-21-2013, 04:56 PM | #26 | |
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Well then go review a 35i - haha
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Ofcourse, being a rear wheel biased car there is no torque steer.
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03-21-2013, 08:06 PM | #28 |
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No, you're wrong. I've had plenty of cars prior to that without powered anything starting off with a '72 Ford Escort. I can't speak for your E84 but I can assure you, mine has ludicrously heavy steering.
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03-21-2013, 08:16 PM | #29 | |
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03-21-2013, 10:00 PM | #30 | |
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- If you brake, inertia helps push your hand forward, into lower gear. - If you accelerate, inertia helps pull your hand backwards, into higher gear. - For most manual gear shifters, pulling straight down will, when possible, shift up, and pushing straight up will, when possible, shift down. What, exactly, is intuitive about the opposite? |
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03-21-2013, 10:29 PM | #31 |
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My previous vehicle, an Infiniti EX35, had the opposite shift directions. I tried several times to get in the habit of shifting manually, but it just seemed so unnatural I gave up. Pull to upshift, push to downshift is so much better. I shift manually all the time now. Of course I also have paddle shifters. But I still need to hit the console shifter when shifting in the middle of a turn (it's hard to find the correct paddle when the wheel is turned).
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03-21-2013, 11:48 PM | #32 |
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03-22-2013, 07:13 AM | #33 |
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I really don't get it ... Sure there is some comparison to do in term of price and options but really ... How many BMW enthusiast have compared a 3 series to an acura TSX or a X1 to a Honda CRV fully loaded ?????
When I bought my X1, I was "comparing" with a 328i xdrive touring not a CRV or a RAV4 ... Enthousiast don't care about "best value" for the class. If we bought a BMW it's for driving dynamics, sport feeling, acceleration, cornering and yeah ... Look !!! So please, stop comparing BMW with Acura or other brand not named Audi, Mercedes or Infiniti. Price for price those are the only other brand which can compare with BMW. Stop bringing the "value" factor cause it's a nonsense. BMW's are pricey cars. They will never win any "Best value for the price" category period. You like it ? Then you don't mind the premium price. Sure you can cut here and there in the option list to get some value but if your an enthousiast you will never make the sacrifice of a lazy steering and gutless acceleration for some more cargo space or addittional options ... This is a nonsense to me. Consumer report don't understand the passion of car enthusiast. Damn it, If all was a "best value" deal, we would only see Hyundai's and Kia's on the road those last 3 years. They have cars under 20 000 $ with heating seats ( rear too ) and all bells and whistles normally paid with extra pkg ... But again, enthusiast don't give a damn about that. They wan't cars that will make them feel special. And so, I would keep my small X1 xDrive 28i over any Acura RDX ... |
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03-22-2013, 07:43 AM | #34 | |
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I like them on the column, but for a different reason - it makes it easier to replace the wheel without losing functionality. Then there's the BMW system with push-pull paddles where the left and right paddles work the same. The idea is good, as it works the same as the stick, but human fingers aren't designed to do the push operation with the same ease as your entire hand is. I prefer different functions for left and right. |
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03-22-2013, 08:07 AM | #35 | |
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Infiniti is exactly like Acura - it's a luxury branding for a Japanese lower cost manufacturer. Honda -> Acura Nissan/Datsun -> Infiniti Scion -> Toyota -> Lexus |
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03-22-2013, 09:03 AM | #36 |
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Concur, if I had to ignore one, it would be Infiniti and their course, old engines. I also find the argument that Acura is just a dressed up Honda pretty funny when he's also extolling Audi as a premium brand, when all of their platforms are shared with VW (or Lamborghini).
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03-22-2013, 09:21 AM | #38 | |
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I won't defend the next X1, there's a reason we own this one. But to be fair, we wouldn't own the X1 if BMW would just import the M135i. I don't mind chassis sharing, I'm looking forward to the next Miata/Alfa mashup and the BRZ is brilliant, I'm still debating buying one; it almost certainly wouldn't exist if it was up to just Subaru or Toyota. |
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I have included Infinity because of the G35 / G37 model which is known to be a serious rival to the 3 series in term of driving dynamics.
Other than that, you are absolutly right. In my mind, only Audi's and Mercedes's ( Cadillac too !) are real competitor to BMW. Have a nice day ! |
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That's up to you, of course, but I prefer to think of the BMW X1s competitors as slightly different. |
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03-22-2013, 01:17 PM | #41 |
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I'm pretty sure the Nissan GT-R is the US version of the Skyline and the G series is far from it.
I think the Infiniti EX is in the same class as the X1 despite needing an update. Might be the closest of anything to the X1 in terms of driving dynamics. Not that I would ever buy one. |
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03-22-2013, 06:38 PM | #42 | |
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When they first offered the steptronic it was setup as the opposite. My 2001 E46 was push to upshift; I hated it. The next model year, they switched it to the current configuration. Luckily, the parts were all compatible, so I was able to change mine around with 2002 E46 parts. |
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I'm really curious now...why not? That's a standard abbreviation for "forward", used in texting, etc.
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And BMW is traditionally rear wheel drive biased, but is slowly changing to the chagrin of enthusiasts who prefer less understeer and no rear lift during acceleration. The next X1 might be FWD based, which is great for soccer moms, but not so nice for those who prefer sporty and RWD-bias. |
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