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      04-24-2013, 11:43 PM   #1
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Sport vs M Sport is so stupid

Kind of a moot point since I already have my M Sport, but looking at the interior differences between the Sport line and the M Sport line, it struck me just how stupid it is.

For example, how come the sport line gets contrast stitching but the more expensive M sport does not?

There are tons of little things like this that really piss me off about BMW's line system. I would easily pay another few grand to get rid of the line restrictions and just build the damn car like I'd like to, but apparently BMW doesn't see that way.

Why would you have a "sport" line with strictly cosmetic improvements that have nothing to do with sport at all, and then have a M sport line that is the "top of the line trim" that has performance but no aesthetic improvements (okay, a front bumper....)?

Thumbs down, BMW.
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      04-25-2013, 12:54 AM   #2
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Why would you have a "sport" line with strictly cosmetic improvements that have nothing to do with sport at all, and then have a M sport line that is the "top of the line trim" that has performance but no aesthetic improvements (okay, a front bumper....)?

Thumbs down, BMW.
The M Sport has many aesthetic improvements. Black headliner, front and rear bumpers, side sills, window trim, roof rails. ....to name a few.
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      04-25-2013, 01:34 AM   #3
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I agree...the line restrictions are just plain idiotic!
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      04-25-2013, 06:46 AM   #4
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I also got the M sport but really wanted contrast stitching.
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      04-25-2013, 08:25 AM   #5
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I agree...the line restrictions are just plain idiotic!
I'm mostly disappointed that the Sport Line doesn't have the 'sport' suspension. In days of old, the sport pkg would come with a stiffer suspension than non-sport equipped cars. Calling it a Sport Line largely because it has larger bolsters on the front seats is a bit.....rice....er...schnitzel and misleading/disappointing. It does push certain breeds of people towards the more expensive M-Sport Line, though, so I guess it is serving its purpose.
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      04-25-2013, 10:03 AM   #6
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I mainly got M Sport for the look and wheels but mostly an all painted body without the gray, black or no painted areas which I hate. How can you have a $50K X3 for example and have a big black strip across the back that looks hideous. BMW should just paint the damn things so they don't look like crap and you have to constantly put Back in Black or some other wax type product on to keep them from fading. It's all marketing but really dumb. I also wanted staggered wheels and sports suspension and really don't care about the stitching.
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      04-25-2013, 11:47 AM   #7
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How common are the M sports in X1 or X3? About a month ago I asked to be contacted by my dealership when either model came in or when one was headed their way. I have heard nothing. Are the M Sports that rare? I'm not going to buy one without seeing one.
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      04-25-2013, 12:14 PM   #8
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How common are the M sports in X1 or X3? About a month ago I asked to be contacted by my dealership when either model came in or when one was headed their way. I have heard nothing. Are the M Sports that rare? I'm not going to buy one without seeing one.
I think there are plenty of M-Sport X1s at the dealers - the ones that came without paddle shifters.

I believe the choice to not put a stiffer suspension on the Sport line was a sensible one. I've seen people here complain about the standard suspension being stiff; apparently they desire comfort, and would have been ill-served with even harder suspension. Those who go for M-Sport are those who are willing to give up some comfort for handling.
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      04-25-2013, 12:23 PM   #9
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Am I in the minority who thinks that the M-sport suspension is too soft?

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      04-25-2013, 12:26 PM   #10
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Agree with most of the points above. The "Line" (X / Sport) is mostly about the look and M-Sports is a bit more about performance. Granted many of us admire a BMW due to its mechanical performance, but accept it or not, BMW likely has as big of a fan base due to its look only and nothing more. I feel the "Line" is to somewhat cater that market.

I am also unhappy that my leather seats have no stitching while the leatherette has... how can people know I have the leather seats option then?
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      04-25-2013, 12:51 PM   #11
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Am I in the minority who think that the M-sport suspension is too soft?
No, I agree, but to have harder suspension, I think that non-RFT would be advisable. When you hit a bump, something's got to give, and it better not be the wheel rim.

I'm also in the minority that thinks that the wheel turns too easily on the M-Sport. The strong steering assist should have been left for the *-Line models, in my opinion.
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      04-25-2013, 01:33 PM   #12
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I think there are plenty of M-Sport X1s at the dealers - the ones that came without paddle shifters.
There's 3 at my local dealership if anyone wants one. I drove one but didn't buy, no paddles in it.


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I believe the choice to not put a stiffer suspension on the Sport line was a sensible one. I've seen people here complain about the standard suspension being stiff; apparently they desire comfort, and would have been ill-served with even harder suspension. Those who go for M-Sport are those who are willing to give up some comfort for handling.
I'm sorry guys, there's just not that much difference in the M Sport model. It's slightly lower, has an increased speed limiter, and it's supposed to have a tighter suspension with some different body parts. That's it. I drove an MSport and didn't really feel that much different than my Sport model, which is why I had no issue getting one.
Any "Sport" line from any car maker is supposed to have a stiffer suspension. If a person buys a "Sport" version of any car and then complains the ride is stiff they should be beat with a Prius stick. Of course it's stiff and rides a bit rough, that's why it's called Sport (or MSport)


Personally I think the big difference between the M Sport model and the others should be the M Sport comes with the Dinan tune installed. Then it truly would be different and have better performance than the other models.
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      04-25-2013, 02:14 PM   #13
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how about they just stick the //M135 engine in an X1 Msport, upgrade the leather to merino, and call it an X1//M?
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      04-25-2013, 02:21 PM   #14
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Isn't there potential in a performance upgrade for the M Sport models and only M Sport due to some of it's enhanced coding?
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      04-25-2013, 02:34 PM   #15
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Isn't there potential in a performance upgrade for the M Sport models and only M Sport due to some of it's enhanced coding?
The only coding difference would be for the Performance Control and a higher speed limiter, so no, there wouldn't be more potential for any particular model.
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      04-25-2013, 02:40 PM   #16
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I had a 2007 X3 M Sport and it beat the shit out of you on any bumps. The X1 M Sport is pretty soft compared to it but I had 19" on X3 and 18" on X1. The X3 was stiffer than the 3 M3's I've owned but the X1 is softer. A lot depends on the tires, I have Goodyear Efficient Grip summer performance and they are fairly soft.
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Those first X3's were brutal, in any form, they were clearly studying at the MINI camp of abusive suspension tuning for no real benefit. Our 2008 135i was absurdly stiff (much stiffer than my M Coupe) on the RFT's, but much better once we switched it to non run flats.
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      04-25-2013, 03:04 PM   #18
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Those first X3's were brutal, in any form, they were clearly studying at the MINI camp of abusive suspension tuning for no real benefit. Our 2008 135i was absurdly stiff (much stiffer than my M Coupe) on the RFT's, but much better once we switched it to non run flats.
Yeah you really can't compare earlier cars. My friend has a 2007 328xi on 17 inch runflats. It's the base, non-sport suspension and it's easily three-four times more punishing than my X1 M sport on 19 inch wheels.
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      04-25-2013, 03:13 PM   #19
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Agreed, I actually don't see there being a noticeable drawback to the runflats on our X1. I'd even consider replacing them when they wear out with the same thing, something I would certainly not have considered on earlier RFT's.
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A lot depends on the tires, I have Goodyear Efficient Grip summer performance and they are fairly soft.
Tires can make a big difference, and we have two things against us from the factory as far as ride. Run flat tires and low(er) profile tires. I'm not changing from OEM size as it can affect the Wheel and Tire warranty, although I would like to. But I am going to summer rubber because I'm in Texas and we have a lot more summer than winter. (I don't even think we really had one this year). I can have them stick the A/S back on if winter does come back next year and I think they're needed.
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I'm mostly disappointed that the Sport Line doesn't have the 'sport' suspension. In days of old, the sport pkg would come with a stiffer suspension than non-sport equipped cars.

One of the good things is we seem to be a conglomeration of other models, so it's possible mods that fit others, may also fit us.
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One of the good things is we seem to be a conglomeration of other models, so it's possible mods that fit others, may also fit us.
Koni FSD dampers seem like they would be a perfect match for X1s.
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