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      09-09-2019, 07:41 PM   #1
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Volkswagen reveals the ID.3 in Frankfurt

https://jalopnik.com/the-2020-volksw...ric-1837989210

It will sell like crazy. Starting price $33,000. Up to 341 mil range option with 77kWh battery.
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Be interesting the electric models they introduce for the American market and when they’ll go on sale here.

ID3 looks good
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Glad to see EVs ditching that stupid blue accent crap.
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Be interesting the electric models they introduce for the American market and when they'll go on sale here.

ID3 looks good
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It will be rear wheel drive and have 50:50 weight distribution. This will be an interesting vehicle.
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If this were sold in the US, it would be on my short list. This is by far the most compelling EV yet. This car is very compact - 10 inches shorter than the new Golf, and 18 inches shorter than a Model 3.

The only thing they need now is an AWD model with twice the power (400hp+). When that happens (when the first high performance MEB vehicle drops) - and I'm not saying it will be soon - its going to catch almost everyone, not least of which the perennial haters, completely off guard.
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If this were sold in the US, it would be on my short list. This is by far the most compelling EV yet. This car is very compact - 10 inches shorter than the new Golf, and 18 inches shorter than a Model 3.

The only thing they need now is an AWD model with twice the power (400hp+). When that happens (when the first high performance MEB vehicle drops) - and I'm not saying it will be soon - its going to catch almost everyone, not least of which the perennial haters, completely off guard.
This. I am open to an all electric car, but I want it to be as "fun" as other sporty cars in the same price range. This has the makings of that possibility.

Doesn't need to be a rocket ship, but 0-100k times should be in the mid 5 to low 6 second range to make it a legit exciting car, along with some reasonable handling prowess and a decently short steering ratio.

My biggest issue as it comes to electric cars is that I don't want to change anything I am doing now to own one. I don't need a super long range, but I need the ability to charge anywhere without difficulty. Heck, even overnight is fine, if the range is 300 miles plus, for me. But most of these cars need upgraded electrical connections in the home or are difficult to find charging locations for in the rural south.

Until this resolves itself, they aren't worth the hassle for me. But if I could charge this car to replenish what I drive in a day (about 60 miles roundtrip to work and back) overnight from a standard household outlet, then it would be a winner for me and I would probably buy one.
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I thought all can be charge from your standard 110V, just takes a long time?

how would charging network for this work in the US though?
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I thought all can be charge from your standard 110V, just takes a long time?

how would charging network for this work in the US though?
I believe all can be charged via 110, the problem lies in how slow it is. Typically, there isn't enough time in a day to complete a full charge - that is my issue. To charge a typical electric car battery to a range of 300 miles, takes about 52 hours on 110v AC. That is too long.
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My biggest issue as it comes to electric cars is that I don't want to change anything I am doing now to own one. I don't need a super long range, but I need the ability to charge anywhere without difficulty. Heck, even overnight is fine, if the range is 300 miles plus, for me. But most of these cars need upgraded electrical connections in the home or are difficult to find charging locations for in the rural south.
Actually, there is not a single EV that cannot be charged from a standard 110V outlet.

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Until this resolves itself, they aren't worth the hassle for me. But if I could charge this car to replenish what I drive in a day (about 60 miles roundtrip to work and back) overnight from a standard household outlet, then it would be a winner for me and I would probably buy one.
I have been doing exactly that for the past year with my Focus Electric. I figured I would install a Level 2 charger when necessary, but have yet to need one. Furthermore, I have only needed to use a public charger a half a dozen times. And that is despite the fact that my car has only 115 miles of range.

This does not mean that I think that EVs are mature enough that they could replace an ICE vehicle for everyone. That won't occur until a 75kWh battery can be charged from 20% to 80% in ten minutes or less, and public charging networks capable of that rate are ubiquitous (though we will not need nearly as many as gas stations, since most everyday charging will occur at home or work). However, they are more practical than many people realize.

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I believe all can be charged via 110, the problem lies in how slow it is. Typically, there isn't enough time in a day to complete a full charge - that is my issue. To charge a typical electric car battery to a range of 300 miles, takes about 52 hours on 110v AC. That is too long.
It is true that charging a battery that provided that much range from empty to full would take a couple days via 110v. However, that fact means very little as a barrier for using an EV as a daily vehicle because a 220v charger is affordable, and the need to recharge from empty to full is rare.
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mkoesel - I agree with many of your points, and please understand that I am not an anti-electric car guy - I think they are pretty cool. They just don't yet fit what I need them for.

Some of my major issues:

1) Large hills. My house sits at an elevation of 5,350 feet. My office is at 1,176. This wrecks havoc with range.

2) Temps. In the summer (or even right now), I regularly have temps that exceed 90 degrees with high humidity. This causes me to max out my aircon usage which impacts range. In the winter, I get about 80" of snow at my house and there are many weeks were the temps stay in the single digits as a low, and rarely exceed 20 as a high. This also impacts range substantially.

3) The nearest electric car charging station of any kind is 68 miles from my house, in the opposite direction I typically travel. The nearest supercharger is 131 miles away. This essentially eliminates my ability to charge anywhere other than my home.

4) Cost. Right now, I pay about $1,400 per year in fuel bills for my commuter car (the MINI). The premium paid for an electric car, combined with the additional expense of a dedicated 240v charger at the home along with the increases in utility bills associated with it, don't really make this a strong value proposition.

I really feel we are still in the "early adopter" stages of electric cars, even though they've been around for quite some time. Until it becomes "easier" or "effortless" to own one, many folks with similar needs and lifestyles to me will be hesitant to purchase one.

I would be interested in one, just not yet due to the drawbacks mentioned above.
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I think I'm too neurotic to deal with Electric Range Anxiety at this point in the EV's lifecycle. I'm one of those weirdos that doesn't like to see my phone battery below 50% or I get anxious. Yet a nearly empty gas tank doesn't bug me one bit. C'est la vie.
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mkoesel - I agree with many of your points, and please understand that I am not an anti-electric car guy - I think they are pretty cool. They just don't yet fit what I need them for.
Yes, that absolutely did come across in your posts, so we are on the same page.

The singular motivation for my replies was to try to help by offering some information that, based on what you had written, would clarify what certainly appeared to be some misconceptions on your part.

As I say, I don't think EV technology is mature enough yet for widespread adoption, and some of the additional concerns you pose in your last post offer legitimate reasons as to why that is the case.
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If this were sold in the US, it would be on my short list.
US will get ID.4 on sale 2020.

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...uv-as-the-id-4
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US will get ID.4 on sale 2020.
Sure, and that's great for those who want an electric SUV.

I am interested in a compact electric passenger car. I realize that the market for these is shrinking in the US, but it is not going to zero, and eventually we will get small, practical performance EVs in passenger car form.
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City car never took off in the US though, not in the way say Europe or Japan had for sure
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Sure, and that's great for those who want an electric SUV.

I am interested in a compact electric passenger car. I realize that the market for these is shrinking in the US, but it is not going to zero, and eventually we will get small, practical performance EVs in passenger car form.
I know, it will be a while
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City car never took off in the US though, not in the way say Europe or Japan had for sure
I agree, but let's not get confused - this is no city car. It has between 200 and 340 miles of range and has about the same amount of interior space as a Passat. EVs have very compact drive systems so you get more cabin space in a smaller footprint.
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Every time I read one of these threads, I have to ask why are some of you even looking at EVs? At least half of you live in areas where your electrical utility uses fossil fuels (mostly coal) to generate the electricity you'll be using to charge the vehicle so the environmental bona fides are questionable (different argument if you live where electricity is generated by hydro-electric or other non-GHG source). What's so compelling about an EV if you're generating as much atmospheric carbon by charging the vehicle as you are by using a modern ICE?
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