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      09-10-2019, 01:37 PM   #111
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Yep . I agree . Racing driver is a combination from man and machine in action . Both must be perfect, the whole season long to become a F1 World Champion .
Lewis has done this 5 times . Soon 6 times ...

Earlier today I was reading a new interview from MAX . He said the second place on a podium is for a loser ...

Money is not everything for these guys . But it's really nice to have it
Jenson Button, on Topgear, once said he would give all his possessions and money for one world championship title. That is when he was still driving for BAR.

Winning for them is first priority, but the money I think, is a close second.
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Can't deny that LH is at the top of his game and something takes over when he pushes, not even Valtteri can match that and quite keep up with him.Certainly Seb is feeling the after effects of it!
Question now is can Lewis take on new guy on the block Charles with his solid demeanour and his seemingly perfect Ferrari package.
It was only perfect at Spa and Monza.

Sadly it will battle to win any races for the remainder of the season, as all the remaining races are heavily down force dependent.

That's why I previously said, watch out for RB, and Max in particular.
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F1 posted an interesting video on Instagram showing that Leclerc's gain from the tow is 0.131 second on the back straight only. The difference between their lap times is 0.15 second. This should be enough to show that if Vettel got a tow he would've been on pole. The guy didn't lose it. He's under tremendous pressure. (As Matt Galagher said: I'm not a fanboy, just passionate).
This is what a lot of people on other F1 comment sites are not taking on board and saying VET is finished when understandably he was shortchanged from the tow fallout, hence the subsequent mistake and the unfortunate spin that led to penalty points.
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It was only perfect at Spa and Monza.

Sadly it will battle to win any races for the remainder of the season, as all the remaining races are heavily down force dependent.

That's why I previously said, watch out for RB, and Max in particular.
There's also hot shot Charles that can make the difference with what the car may lack as you suggest at Marina Bay and it's well known that faster cars stuck behind one that is not quite on pace with them will have big problems getting through.
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Jenson Button, on Topgear, once said he would give all his possessions and money for one world championship title. That is when he was still driving for BAR.

Winning for them is first priority, but the money I think, is a close second.
Yeah. In one word it's called *Passion*

But actually they deserve the money . As we could see in Franchorchamps it is extremely dangerous and sometimes even a death trap .
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It was only perfect at Spa and Monza.

Sadly it will battle to win any races for the remainder of the season, as all the remaining races are heavily down force dependent.

That's why I previously said, watch out for RB, and Max in particular.
Ohhh...That's for sure, you can bet on MAX .
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This is what a lot of people on other F1 comment sites are not taking on board and saying VET is finished when understandably he was shortchanged from the tow fallout, hence the subsequent mistake and the unfortunate spin that led to penalty points.
I can't imagine the boost he would've gotten if he got the chance to get a lap (and of course pole) and then the win after that. I'm saying "win" because he's always been better than Leclerc in managing tires and it would've been an easy race for him. Definitely an easier won than his win in Canada this year (Yes, he WON Canada) 😂
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It's funny. I was talking to a few passionate and lifelong Italian fans at qualifying Saturday, and they seem to be more compassionate for and understanding of Vettel's situation and overall contribution to Ferrari than the rest of us.
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I can't imagine the boost he would've gotten if he got the chance to get a lap (and of course pole) and then the win after that. I'm saying "win" because he's always been better than Leclerc in managing tires and it would've been an easy race for him. Definitely an easier won than his win in Canada this year (Yes, he WON Canada) 😂
Definitely Seb won in Montreal and I'm not happy myself with the way it was handled by stewards. Now if he can get on pole in the Marina..anything to give him a boost.A lot of bad luck can't continue for ever.
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F1 posted an interesting video on Instagram showing that Leclerc's gain from the tow is 0.131 second on the back straight only. The difference between their lap times is 0.15 second. This should be enough to show that if Vettel got a tow he would've been on pole. The guy didn't lose it. He's under tremendous pressure. (As Matt Galagher said: I'm not a fanboy, just passionate).
Putting together one lap in qualifying is not where I see the issue. To me, he seems to be struggling to put a complete run together during the race. No bias either way from me on Seb, I just like watching a good race!
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Putting together one lap in qualifying is not where I see the issue. To me, he seems to be struggling to put a complete run together during the race. No bias either way from me on Seb, I just like watching a good race!
If you look at high fuel load lap time in practice he averaged a lower lap time than Leclerc in most races. He also managed his tires much better in Hungary (high downforce circuit). It looks like when he's in a comfortable position, he can perform. I believe he needs a life coach that can teach him how to mentally overcome obstacles but he's spending his time on classic motorcycles and with his daughters instead 😂

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Definitely Seb won in Montreal and I'm not happy myself with the way it was handled by stewards. Now if he can get on pole in the Marina..anything to give him a boost.A lot of bad luck can't continue for ever.
A pole in Marina?!?!? I don't think so. I'm a very optimistic Vettel fan and I can't hope for anything higher than 4th.
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It's funny. I was talking to a few passionate and lifelong Italian fans at qualifying Saturday, and they seem to be more compassionate for and understanding of Vettel's situation and overall contribution to Ferrari than the rest of us.
A few of my friends were at the Ferrari event on Wednesday and at the track for the race. At the event they were chanting "uno di noi seb uno di noi" which means "one of us seb one of us". And they posted some videos of fans chanting the same after he spun and while the team was talking pictures with Leclerc. So yeah I believe they are more understanding, they know Ferrari is his dream and they know how much he helped since 2015.
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I just saw Lewis is pissed on Charles ...
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And then to know that the last 2 drivers that won for Ferrari are Charles Leclerc and Kimi Räikkönen which is also the last Ferrari Champion.

Poor Seb.
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A pole in Marina?!?!? I don't think so. I'm a very optimistic Vettel fan and I can't hope for anything higher than 4th.
I know what your thinking, more downforce on no.5 car and less? tyre road stamp than the Mercs or RB with similar wing we shall see if there are some more trick additions to the sidepod area to manage the aero better.
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I know what your thinking, more downforce on no.5 car and less? tyre road stamp than the Mercs or RB with similar wing we shall see if there are some more trick additions to the sidepod area to manage the aero better.
Brawn had tons of low speed downforce more than any other car and they didn't win Singapore, so maybe you're right and I can be happy for once this season!
Or maybe it'll rain and we see another German GP!
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Brawn had tons of low speed downforce more than any other car and they didn't win Singapore, so maybe you're right and I can be happy for once this season!
Or maybe it'll rain and we see another German GP!
Please no rain, let us do a dry race dance before the event
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Can't deny that LH is at the top of his game and something takes over when he pushes, not even Valtteri can match that and quite keep up with him.Certainly Seb is feeling the after effects of it!
Question now is can Lewis take on new guy on the block Charles with his solid demeanour and his seemingly perfect Ferrari package.
Leclerc is a pretty fast guy and he has what it takes for racing.. but in Monza all cards were on his side.. Lewis was only able to keep up with him on the main straight even with DRS + draft combined.. there is nothing else to have..
yeah wings were tiny but still DRS were something.. i dont know if you guys seen it but like in the mid race, there was a huge understeer once because lack of downforce coming from keeping it too close to Lec's car in Parabolica when HAM wanted get more closer before the main straight.. even if HAM d pass Lec.. i dont think he could ve pull away to keep the lead with Merc's setup.. in Singapore Ferrari ll need additional downforce as well.. otherwise they ll tear the tires up pretty fast.. i dont think there ll be 12-15kmh difference on straights again there.. it ll be less than that..
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Leclerc is a pretty fast guy and he has what it takes for racing.. but in Monza all cards were on his side.. Lewis was only able to keep up with him on the main straight even with DRS + draft combined.. there is nothing else to have..
yeah wings were tiny but still DRS were something.. i dont know if you guys seen it but like in the mid race, there was a huge understeer once because lack of downforce coming from keeping it too close to Lec's car in Parabolica when HAM wanted get more closer before the main straight.. even if HAM d pass Lec.. i dont think he could ve pull away to keep the lead with Merc's setup.. in Singapore Ferrari ll need additional downforce as well.. otherwise they ll tear the tires up pretty fast.. i dont think there ll be 12-15kmh difference on straights again there.. it ll be less than that..
Thats right, the more downforce then the more tyres will last and not 'go over the cliff' quicker. Not sure on this but is that a low grip surface there..
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Leclerc is a pretty fast guy and he has what it takes for racing.. but in Monza all cards were on his side.. Lewis was only able to keep up with him on the main straight even with DRS + draft combined.. there is nothing else to have..
yeah wings were tiny but still DRS were something.. i dont know if you guys seen it but like in the mid race, there was a huge understeer once because lack of downforce coming from keeping it too close to Lec's car in Parabolica when HAM wanted get more closer before the main straight.. even if HAM d pass Lec.. i dont think he could ve pull away to keep the lead with Merc's setup.. in Singapore Ferrari ll need additional downforce as well.. otherwise they ll tear the tires up pretty fast.. i dont think there ll be 12-15kmh difference on straights again there.. it ll be less than that..
One of the "cards on his side" is pole position which he only kept because he didn't tow Vettel which according to F1's analysis he would've gotten if he was towed!
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Brawn had tons of low speed downforce more than any other car and they didn't win Singapore, so maybe you're right and I can be happy for once this season!
Or maybe it'll rain and we see another German GP!
"33" like a bullet in the rain !

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