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      04-15-2019, 04:19 PM   #111
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The entire waterfall scene was a total waste of time!

How fucked up is Bran, waiting for his “old friend” and all.
The waterfall scene reminded me of the cave scene with Ygritte. Doesn't she tell him the same thing? About staying there forever
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Just thought I'd chime in and clarify the relationship between Daenarys and John for you guys, not that it makes any difference lol... But she's his aunt not his sister. This is why so much emphasis is being placed on his claim to the throne. Daenarys is Rhaegar's baby sister. Rhaegar was the prince, heir to the throne. His father, The Mad King, was killed by Jamie during Robert's rebellion and he was killed by Robert. Lyanna Stark, who was John's mom, Ned's sister and Robert's betrothed, was supposedly kidnapped by Rhaegar during the rebellion. But the truth, unknown to everyone but Ned Stark (he found out when she told him as she handed him the baby John) and his sister Lyanna, was that she ran away with Rhaegar to get married. They were actually both in love and the marriage was blessed by the church. So because John is Rhaegar's son by marriage, he is the one true heir to the throne... The claim of the son is much stronger than the claim of the sister obviously. The questions now are, what will Daenarys do? Will she pull a Cercei and destroy whatever proof exists of John's claim, if any? Will she bend the knee to John?

I was kind of disappointed with the episode, especially since I thought I heard it was going to be 2 hours long. But overall it was a great intro and I firmly believe that none of us will be left wanting in the end... Now if only we could get good old George to finish the damn books, we can have something else to look forward to, considering that the show started to deviate a bit more each season after the Red Wedding... So for those of us that read the books, there's probably a different outcome in the works and it will be something new and exciting.

Oh, I know Daenarys is his aunt. It's still an incestuous situation that I'm sure his moral compass won't agree with, so I can't wait to see how it plays out. I'm also still eagerly awaiting to see what happens with the plot line in the books.
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I know Jon is her nephew, that's why I asked the question. Who has a stronger claim, the sister or the nephew? I'm not sure to be honest, but the show definitely pushes Jon as the person with the strongest claim.
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I know Jon is her nephew, that's why I asked the question. Who has a stronger claim, the sister or the nephew? I'm not sure to be honest, but the show definitely pushes Jon as the person with the strongest claim.
Right, but what I'm saying is that John being her nephew is completely irrelevant at this point considering who his Dad was. Daenarys was only next in line because there were no other Targaryens left... But now we know that John is a Targaryen and he's also the son of the first born prince. Because Daenarys is the sister of that same prince, she has no claim as long as John is alive... I'll put it to you this way, in real world UK line of succession, the heir to the throne after Prince William is not his younger brother Harry, it's William's first born son. So pretend that Prince William is John's dad, while Daenarys is Prince Harry, or in other words the red headed stepchild of the equation...
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TBH, I was a bit underwhelmed. I know that they are setting up the season, but with only 6 episodes, I thought the pace would moved a bit faster. Also, I thought I read that the episodes were going to be longer. It was only 60 mins once you take out the intro and show wrap at the end. Does anyone else think that the news of hearing that The Night King has the dragon and destroyed the wall should have been more of a dramatic reaction from Jon and Dany?? They didn't seem that shocked. Oh well, lets just go on dragon ride together! I thought I was watching a scene from Harry Potter.
I literally had the same exact thought watching the episode. The dragon was believed to be dead and the wall has stood for thousands of years yet when Bram tells them otherwise there is literally no reaction.
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I know Jon is her nephew, that's why I asked the question. Who has a stronger claim, the sister or the nephew? I'm not sure to be honest, but the show definitely pushes Jon as the person with the strongest claim.
Right, but what I'm saying is that John being her nephew is completely irrelevant at this point considering who his Dad was. Daenarys was only next in line because there were no other Targaryens left... But now we know that John is a Targaryen and he's also the son of the first born prince. Because Daenarys is the sister of that same prince, she has no claim as long as John is alive... I'll put it to you this way, in real world UK line of succession, the heir to the throne after Prince William is not his younger brother Harry, it's William's first born son. So pretend that Prince William is John's dad, while Daenarys is Prince Harry, or in other words the red headed stepchild of the equation...
Oh, okay. Now I get it.

Makes sense.

Thanks!
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