10-05-2015, 06:53 PM | #177 | |
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So the rest of us shouldn't care either? And I think Para and I both regret the spat in the middle of this thread. It's the internet, it happens. If we could delete it all, we would. Get over it. No one forced you to read through it. It was at times, however, actually relevant and educational.
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10-05-2015, 07:03 PM | #178 | |
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For some of us, these are daily drivers, even our wives' cars...with coilovers being significant overkill. Baseline decent coilovers are getting you adjustable ride height over a set of good springs and good struts/shocks. Hardly astronomical, hardly needed by all, hardly worth the premium, slammed ride height, etc. This, for example, is the highest a set of KWV3s will go in the rear: Not exactly for everyone... But all that aside...you said it yourself. You were looking for information on H&R springs for the X1. Even if you don't care about handling, you're going to have to look into things like bumpstop length, travel, etc. Unless you drive on glass smooth roads, the H&Rs, in addition to being underdamped on stock struts/shocks, will lead to bottoming out, especially with high speed impacts. So yeah, if you're looking for info the H&Rs, you should be reading these posts. They're 100% applicable to what you're thinking about doing, whether you're interested in "performance" or not. Even my wife demanded real shocks when she had the car for a couple days on the springs alone.
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E36s have dozens of suspension options, we are treading in new territory with an X1. And yes, there are suspensions out that do feel brilliant. Quote:
So we have spent 8 pages talking about the options and their effects...so what? Is there a maximum of pages allowed to discuss suspension options that we don't know about?? Well that's your choice to buy a diesel. BMW has made the X1 a different class of car in Europe than here in the US, even our econo version is Europe's top performing version. We have the option to choose from 3 different US versions, 1 of which is totally different from yours. The xDrive35i is a little performance wagon that is great from the factory, and can be made to perform even better....and definitely better than a R32. Many of us wanted to buy a small performance wagon and we got that in the xDrive35i. Our apologies for you not having that choice in Europe...
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10-06-2015, 04:20 AM | #180 | |
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I'm also not saying no one else should 'care'. What I'm trying to get across is if handling was the key concern for the x1 I would buy coilovers then buy wheel / tyres around my suspension set up. I'm only buying springs because I'm buying it just to get the car a slightly bit lower to reduce arch gap, ay improvements on handling etc then great but if I bottom out etc which I am expecting to then I have to take that on the head but I will do what I can to avoid that. I'm going with H&R springs and trimmed bump stops. If after driving them I then realise I need to get some struts as well then so be it I will have to. But for the money the springs / shocks costs you are not far of a set of coilovers so I would be more inclined to sell the springs and aim for some KW's. The main thing I was looking for here was to see if anyone had done any arch rolling as the arch lips are very large, so that's another hurdle I'm gonna get too soon. I'm not here to be seen as bickering I was merely saying if handling is that much of an important factor then buy coilovers and try and build your car around that. |
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10-06-2015, 04:31 AM | #181 | |
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I would expect E36 to have some great suspensions designed they are almost 20 years old. I guess I'm just confused as why it's so important to have such great handling on a daily car, improving handling is fine of course, but it seems like it's very important on your daily so fair play, but a daily to me is a car that you get around in to keep costs down assuming you have a project car? If not then fine. You can have as many pages as you like talking about you want, just like I can have my opinion. Way to go for blowing Americas trumpet in regards to car options .. I chose a diesel because of running costs, fuel consumption and I have a child on the way so I opted for something a bit cheaper to run. You 2 seem have got the wrong end of the stick like I'm trying to attack but if that's how you want me to come across then fine |
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10-08-2015, 11:05 AM | #182 |
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Update...no news is good news.
No bottoming out front or rear, and handling is MUCH improved with the addition of the B6s. Firm feeling over small imperfections/lots of road feel as with all high pressure monotubes, but very compliant over the big bumps. Awesome DD setup, leaving the car feeling surprisingly sporty. I think it has more roll stiffness than our 135 now.
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Fronts: Yes
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10-09-2015, 08:07 PM | #185 | |
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The more detailed answer is high pressure gas monotubes like the B6s, increase ride height a bit. So while you're probably OK going with the old alignment, it will be off a bit resulting from the mild (.25" maybe) height height increase and the corresponding toe change.
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10-09-2015, 10:16 PM | #186 | |
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http://www.pelicanparts.com/BMW/tech...eplacement.htm So do other sites: http://www.rmeuropean.com/bmw-e90-st...placement.aspx ...but you can find just as many articles saying you don't need an alignment. For me, better safe than sorry....
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10-10-2015, 06:01 AM | #188 | |
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While I'm almost certain they do, perhaps the E90s don't have the alignment pins in the top hats? If that's the case, than yes, the upper strut towers are a bit slotted, so if you don't have the pins in place, and you don't mark the location of the tophat within the slots, your alignment might be off (albeit only very slightly). Edit: Nope, they even point out the pin in the instructions. You're not changing anything that affects alignment though. My guess is, they're not assuming in those instructions that your replacement struts have the same body length/spring perch position, or aren't high pressure gas, to where ride height and thus your alignment would be in some way altered.
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4 rear shocks in stock at Bilstein USA......12-14 week wait time for fronts out of Germany.....GRRRRRR
Dilemma now.....friend is selling me his KW V3 from his 335(dirt cheap), just need to machine a strut sleeve and we're good....or wait for the Bilsteins......ughhhhh
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I mean, if you're OK with the drop of the V3s, that's definitely the nicer setup though. That said, I do love HDs...I pretty much but them on every car I own...love them.
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I ordered mine August 31st thru Tire Rack, still waiting......
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Boo! Hopefully you'll hear from them soon. I ordered in mid/ate August and got them at the end of September...iirc.
I always order Bilsteins via AJUSA, normally a fair bit cheaper than TR.
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I ordered my B12 kit on ECS turning back in May and the arrival date kept pushing back. Finally at July they push it to Dec and I cancel the order. End up ordered at nh-tuning from German and got it in a month; they may still have the shocks in stock. Try email them info@nh-tuning.de or go to their ebay store nh-tuning_de.
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I assume the KW min drop is pretty aggressive? KW V3 with 15k miles for $1000 or B6 for $660 and the wait time...
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Well my friend sold the KW's already =( Guess I am going to order the Bilsteins.
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So question, would I be better off swapping out oem m3 rear subframe bushings vs white line or power flex? I would like to keep some comfort vs a more harsh ride.
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10-23-2015, 06:31 AM | #198 | |
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Are you doing the swap yourself? If so, inserts are much easier to install vs. needing to press the M3 bushings in...in addition to being much less expensive.
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