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      03-13-2019, 08:39 AM   #3257
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This may just be Mueller’s way of preventing anyone from forming a real conclusion. If he let the GJ wrap up, we’d know there are no more charges coming. If he let funding end, we’d know his report is done. Since the report isn’t out, may be in Barr’s hands or not, best to keep appearances up that everything is ongoing still.
I would imagine this plays a big role. If it is concluded, I would suspect you are right on target.
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      03-13-2019, 08:43 AM   #3258
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If there were any rumor floating that there will be charges, Pelosi wouldn't have said she's against impeachment without hard facts. I'd suspect she's got an ear involved as to what is expected.

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      03-13-2019, 08:46 AM   #3259
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Confused. If the investigators are told to stop their line of charges against Hillary, no charges would make it to prosecutors at DOJ. Right?
Evidence, not charges, get presented by LEOs, right? That was my initial question.

The tweet said:

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Lisa Page confirmed to me under oath that the FBI was ordered by the Obama DOJ not to consider charging Hillary Clinton for gross negligence in the handling of classified information.

If it would be the DOJ that actually brings charges, not the FBI, then there would be no reason for the DOJ to tell anyone outside of their organization to "not consider charging" Hillary with anything. Right?

If the decision is mine, I don't need to tell you not to consider something. No?

As such, I must be wrong in my understanding that the FBI itself cannot actually bring charges - which was the crux of my initial question. Can the FBI, in and of themselves, charge folks with crimes, or do the charges need to come from the DOJ?
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Evidence, not charges, get presented by LEOs, right? That was my initial question.

The tweet said:

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Lisa Page confirmed to me under oath that the FBI was ordered by the Obama DOJ not to consider charging Hillary Clinton for gross negligence in the handling of classified information.

If it would be the DOJ that actually brings charges, not the FBI, then there would be no reason for the DOJ to tell anyone outside of their organization to "not consider charging" Hillary with anything. Right?

If the decision is mine, I don't need to tell you not to consider something. No?

As such, I must be wrong in my understanding that the FBI itself cannot actually bring charges - which was the crux of my initial question. Can the FBI, in and of themselves, charge folks with crimes, or do the charges need to come from the DOJ?
I agree with your logic, but I suspect this is really just Ratcliffe being sloppy with words. And since it was a closed session, he shouldn’t have disclosed anything - even though it seems a common practice in congress.

Update: I did a bit of a search and it appears the FBI cannot bring charges but presents its evidence either to DoJ or a Grand Jury. GJ can file indictment and I think US Atty’s (DoJ) also can. So you’re right it appears on that.

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Now known DOJ directive.

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Loretta.
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Now known DOJ directive.

She might be drinking this morning.
Rum, with grumpy old man?
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      03-13-2019, 09:42 AM   #3263
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Not to get too semantic over this, but wouldn't it be the DoJ that would actually bring the charges, not the FBI?
Can she still be charged? No double jeopardy. I wouldn't imagine the statute of limitations is in play yet...........Is Barr all over this?
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Can she still be charged? No double jeopardy. I wouldn't imagine the statute of limitations is in play yet...........Is Barr all over this?
Precisely. If this was all a fix between Lynch, Obama and the Clintons, what is the excuse for the past 2 years?
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Evidence, not charges, get presented by LEOs, right? That was my initial question.

The tweet said:

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Lisa Page confirmed to me under oath that the FBI was ordered by the Obama DOJ not to consider charging Hillary Clinton for gross negligence in the handling of classified information.

If it would be the DOJ that actually brings charges, not the FBI, then there would be no reason for the DOJ to tell anyone outside of their organization to "not consider charging" Hillary with anything. Right?

If the decision is mine, I don't need to tell you not to consider something. No?

As such, I must be wrong in my understanding that the FBI itself cannot actually bring charges - which was the crux of my initial question. Can the FBI, in and of themselves, charge folks with crimes, or do the charges need to come from the DOJ?
I believe you are correct. The FBI are cops at the end of the day. They execute on the initiatives of the DoJ.
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I believe you are correct. The FBI are cops at the end of the day. They execute on the initiatives of the DoJ.
Doesn’t the FBI just recommend charges be filed to the DOJ... or not? I think what the DOJ did, or is being accused of doing, is telling the FBI do not recommend charges, drop it.
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Doesn’t the FBI just recommend charges be filed to the DOJ... or not? I think what the DOJ did, or is being accused of doing, is telling the FBI do not recommend charges, drop it.
I think it may actually be a combination. Quite a few of the FBI Agents and Special Agents are also attorneys. This is how it gets a bit blurry in my opinion.
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Andrew Weissmann is out or out very soon. I'd say it's a wrap.
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Rep. Doug Collins released the Peter Strzok interview transcripts this morning. Should be some more gems in there.
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In what way does that answer my question, do you reckon?
Confused. If the investigators are told to stop their line of charges against Hillary, no charges would make it to prosecutors at DOJ. Right?
gonzo, i may be able to help with hooligan's original question. Our friend hooligan was right in suggesting that his confusion may be semantical in nature: until fairly recently, January 20, 2017 to be exact, the notion of an "investigation of a person in search of a crime" was unknown in American legal practice or in English Common Law. Previously the more familiar "investigation of crime(s) in search of perpetrator(s)" was pretty much the standard even for such august bodies as the FBI. The new standard was consecrated by James Comey when he usurped DOJs authority to decide whether HRC should be prosecuted under 18USC793 etc. If DOJ ordered FBI officials to close the email server investigation, then they effectively quashed any possibility of indictment resulting from that investigation. Comey's subsequent No-Referral-Statement merely served to formally install the new rules. Now, an FBI decision to end (or begin) an investigation is effectively a decision to charge or not to charge. Isn't that just great?
All we need now to complete the picture is for someone to paint the FBI Building yellow.

(Ivan will understand the weird 'yellow' reference perfectly)
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in the waning days of winter, as more and more clues appear suggesting an approaching end to the Mueller Investigation, Liberals across the Country are reporting the same recurring nightmare==>
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Why doesn't he? Statute of limitations is not in play.
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Why doesn't he? Statute of limitations is not in play.
The email server, Uranium One etc etc were given to Huber and 'senior federal prosecutors' to review. 'Locking her up' will depend on their recommendations.

https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...ent/p3/a485908

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Why doesn't he? Statute of limitations is not in play.
The email server, Uranium One etc etc were given to Huber and 'senior federal prosecutors' to review. 'Locking her up' will depend on their recommendations.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5764382-AO-DOJ-HuberDirective.html#document/p3/a485908
Uranium one? Really??
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