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      03-14-2019, 01:35 PM   #1761
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The F20c was based on Honda's F series, which was widely used in Preludes and Accords starting in the mid 90s. It ranged from 1.8 - 2.3L. Putting a performance head and stronger internal components into and existing block is hardly bespoke.

That's essentially the same story for all of the great performance engines, short of exotics.
Based on, but only slightly. Fiber reinforced block, different liners, longitudinal mounting. It wasn't like they just used an existing block and stuck new heads on it.
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      03-14-2019, 07:05 PM   #1762
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Based on, but only slightly. Fiber reinforced block, different liners, longitudinal mounting. It wasn't like they just used an existing block and stuck new heads on it.
You're point?

All of those things are modifying an existing, and more widely used, platform to build upon. Fiber reinforcing and liners are the same thing. FRM is a form of sleaving but it's a compromise between expensive Nikasil coating and a low cost cast iron liner. It was also used in a number of other Honda performance engines. Not exactly unique. Machining a bell housing to mount a RWD transmission isn't earth shattering either.

Creating a low production engine from scratch is a completely different undertaking both in engineering and cost. The casting process alone for the block would make it cost prohibitive for anything short of a super car.

I'm actually a huge fan of the F20c. I swapped one into an AE86 and loved it. Its a great engine, but it's far from bespoke.
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Hope this isn't a sign of things to come:

http://www.thedrive.com/news/26848/s...-their-engines
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Hope this isn't a sign of things to come:

http://www.thedrive.com/news/26848/s...-their-engines
That thing is cursed. Torque dip, lean out at high rpm, and now this.
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The F20c was based on Honda's F series, which was widely used in Preludes and Accords starting in the mid 90s. It ranged from 1.8 - 2.3L. Putting a performance head and stronger internal components into and existing block is hardly bespoke.

That's essentially the same story for all of the great performance engines, short of exotics.
The F Series in those cars you mentioned HAVE ZERO, NOT ONE IOTA related to the F20C.. They are similar to the H series of engines and from the 90s.

The F20C was a clean slate and is only in the S2000, they designed the K Series Motor eventually based on the F20C ( They share a ton just has traditional VTEC vs i )

K = F20 w/I-VTEC more or less ( same design ) but the F20 has no other Honda motor equivalent.. Just like Nissans VR38 which is hand built for the GTR.

People can hate Hondas but most of their engines are second to none, Even the B-Series which the K replaced is still a huge force to be reckoned with.
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      03-15-2019, 04:18 PM   #1766
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If they didn't source an inline 6 from BMW, WHO could they possibly source an inline 6 from?

Or would the fanbase rather they put in a V-6 from their run of the mill cars?

Anyone suggesting that Toyota should have built a bespoken engine for the new Supra is smoking crack.
Build their own like Benz or freaking jaguar just did.

Lexus needs some engine choices, a new I6 would be greatly appreciated. Also their pickups and trucks could seriously use an beefy I6. Id love to see a lexus LC with a 400/500hp I6.

Id much rather a true ft1 supra with their own engine, a real toyota then the abomination they are peddling.
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Build their own like Benz or freaking jaguar just did.

Lexus needs some engine choices, a new I6 would be greatly appreciated. Also their pickups and trucks could seriously use an beefy I6. Id love to see a lexus LC with a 400/500hp I6.

Id much rather a true ft1 supra with their own engine, a real toyota then the abomination they are peddling.
Toyota also makes another Killer I6 overseas that has made even more power than the 2JZ its called the 1FZFE and its made over 1800HP DOHC 4.5 liters (2J has as well, Just another engine they make ).

So without a doubt Toyota has the skill and the know how x1000 they just cheaped out which is strange for the worlds largest auto manufacturer.

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All of the vents do appear to be functional on the GT4 car.




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All of the vents do appear to be functional on the GT4 car.
Just because they have holes in them doesn't mean they are functional/needed.
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