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Have you even driven a fast Tesla? I can guaranteed that it will make you hate how slow your cars feel after. But I am talking about track time, which electric cars are seriously taking over.
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However like I said, I buy cars for their handling and how they feel. I don't care if it can go 0-60 in 2-seconds if it doesn't provide any feedback or engagement. Its a problem I find with not only Tesla but the Taycan (which I've also driven) and the M5 (even ICE vehicles have this issues) which is fast but numb. I'm not looking for a novocaine racer to launch at stop-lights, I want backroad cruises and track days, which is why I have a Z4 M, I like a naturally aspirated motor that sounds great and revs high in the RPM range, a sweet 6-speed manual gearbox, and communicative hydraulic steering all with the top down. Show me an electric car that can do those things and you will have my money. As for EV's taking over the tracks, I have yet to see that happen. Maybe you mean the drag strip...
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The topic is should people hate performance SUV? I think it's silly to hate a vehicle that can carry people and things fast and efficiently from point A and B. That's what a car is literally designed for! If a person want to carry more things fast like with a RSQ8 to go to point B, it's more power to him! If you want ultimate efficiency in terms of your money to do that job, don't get a RSQ8, get a performance Model Y. If you want to track day car, get an Atom. Last edited by lonegun; 09-03-2020 at 08:10 PM.. |
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And actually, you did make it about track day, I'll explain. I replied to your initial comment in which you mentioned a Model Y vs 911 on track. Quote:
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Well you required clarification of my "hook", so I did by providing the link to support my argument that Tesla Model Y had indeed beat 911's track time. But I guess from your point of view, it must seem like I'm only talking about track time as I seems to be presenting evidence contradicting your arguments. It's not, I'm simply presenting evidence defending my hook, which you in turn wrote off implying 977 is not a capable car: First let's dissect this statement. "10+ year old car"? No, it's a generation of Porche that was into production until 2012. Second, is it capable? People lauded this generation of 911 as possibly the best generation and did remarkable time on Nurburgring. So it's definitely capable as a competitor as it will destroy most modern cars on the track. Then I went to reply to other members who actually read my post and replied to them regarding SUV vs Sedans as you seems to faded into background.... until you came back hating on GLA45. So no, I'm not talking about track day car, simply defending and providing evidence to my statements like a good poster would. |
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As for the 911, a generation put in production from 2004-2012, so yes a 10+ year old car pretty much, at best its 8-years old or worst 16-years old, but the world has evolved greatly since the 997 came into existence. The argument was never about capability, your original statement simply states a Model Y beats a 911 on track, that's the argument. No context what so ever, you never mentioned what generation 911, so of course someone's gonna argue that statement as I did and Germanauto who quickly replied to how laughable your comment was. Like you said its a hook, and what did you expect, that a poster with a 2 point reputation score and barely 60 posts wouldn't be branded as a Tesla fanboy with statements like that? We already have Tesla fanboys on this forum and have had many try and infiltrate threads so comments like that are of course going to get grouped with them. Without context who in their right mind would believe a Model Y would beat a 911 on track, that type of comment without context makes anyone look like a fool trying to compare a bread and butter sports car to an electric SUV especially on track. When you put those two cars in the same sentence, you made a general statement, without getting into the specifics about each vehicle, most will just infer that from your very short and non-detailed statement that you mean both stock for stock and new, essentially being a "fair comparison", because as we all know, any new 911 would decimate any Tesla on track. What your post doesn't say is this. The Model Y that beat the 911 was actually an upgraded (non-stock) Model Y riding on a prototype suspension and brake upgrades unavailable to the public and the 911 that was beaten was a 2-generation old (8-16 years old) variant. With context that changes everything greatly as well as the interpretation of your original post, so yes, I am less impressed by an upgraded Model Y beating a 10+ year 911 no matter how capable the old 911 was. As for your post original post, you are right, I didn't read it, because why would I want to read the rest of the post after your track statement, it sounded ridiculous, so yeah, I don't care about the rest, your post lost credibility for me at that point, and was not worth reading in my opinion. I don't have to read it entirely either hence why I used the quote feature to only get the one selection I reacted to and spoke about. With that I bid you a good night, because I have no time left on stupid arguments like this, and will be happily pressing the ignore button. Hopefully moderators will end up taking down our posts anyways. Enjoy the GLA, Model Y or whatever it is.
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Agree, the problem with Tesla fanboys is a lot of them are techies and not actually car people, there are a few here or there, but overall pretty rare, and the techies get real angry when you don't like what they like. I use to think Apple and BMW or Audi fanboys were bad, but they Tesla fans are another level.
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I think I would still get the Lamborghini, or the Cayenne. But these are big vehicles. They need big hp numbers because they are tyrannosaurus sized. I drive my 2017 Macan Turbo that will be four years old in a few months and can’t think of anything I would consider replacing it with right now.
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3 series 26/33 - 30 combined --- 15% better Acceleration, handling, braking will also follow the same path. "Similar" aka worse but close enough in your mind. I prefer to RWD for the same reason, 98% of the time I don't need or want it. You can create a "best dollar/performance" criteria for anything if you create the metrics.
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The engineers designing the suspensions of these monster SUVs deserve more praise. I've never driven a "performance" SUV nor want to, but if they can somehow manage to hide 1000lbs of weight they deserve a gold star.
I understand electric cars have a lower center of gravity but the added battery weight is literally massive and should technically cause the car to slide in corners... They don't really apply to what I meant tho. The ICE SUVs that sit up higher i.e. trackhawk. Like in that Grand Tour episode where Hammond was throwing it around looked like it was reasonably composed without fear of tipping over. Last edited by freakystyly; 09-04-2020 at 08:48 AM.. |
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So I will restate my point again, if you are in the market to buy a fast SUV either in straight-lines or on road, Model Y is a really good value for that. Last edited by lonegun; 09-04-2020 at 11:05 AM.. |
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But if you really don't need that extra space and clearance especially in the snow or off road, then sure go for the 3 series. It WILL handle better on dry road, but not necessary in more extreme conditions. There's a reason why rally cars are front wheel drive based. Last edited by lonegun; 09-04-2020 at 11:37 AM.. |
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X1 S Drive 23/32/26 combined 330i 23/34/27 combined FWD based vehicles are good for economy (part of reason it almost matches the 3 series), space and reducing cost. Bad for weight distribution and handling. Nobody buys a fwd based vehicle because they want the best handling vehicle and there's a reason RWD vehicles dominate the higher ends of the price spectrum.
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