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      08-12-2015, 03:48 PM   #1
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Question for lawyers

If you have a JD but have never taken the bar exam, can someone rightly refer to you as a lawyer? Not seek legal council, but just refer to you as "a lawyer."
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If you have a JD but have never taken the bar exam, can someone rightly refer to you as a lawyer? Not seek legal council, but just refer to you as "a lawyer."
I'm no lawyer ex gf is. You can be referred to as whatever you want. Seems like a headache and the wrong person may take it out of context.

and i'm assuming you mean like Atty M_Six right
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The answer is technically no, but the state bar isn't going to care if you casually refer to yourself as a lawyer.
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The answer is technically no, but the state bar isn't going to care if you casually refer to yourself as a lawyer.
in this scenario absolutely not. I thought he was saying a customer or co-worker was referring to him as atty.
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So the question is whether you should correct that person? If that person is referring clients your way (to seek legal advice, whether for profit or not), then you obviously will need to disclose the fact you didn't pass the bar (so you're more like a legal intern than a lawyer). If it's just coming up in casual conversation, then practically-speaking, no one cares.
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This was in a newspaper article about a professor I know. He also holds a JD and they referred to him as a lawyer and professor, even though he's never taken the bar. It really doesn't matter to me. I have nothing against the guy and newspapers are known screwups. It's not like he's advertising himself as a lawyer. I was just curious about the title of Lawyer.
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I'm not a lawyer, but I did sleep at a nice hotel last night. . .
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On a different but similar take, not all "doctors" are the same. Doctorates like being called as such but for some reason, medical doctors usually try and hide it...
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Do you know why lawyers wear neckties?
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Do you know why lawyers wear neckties?
I'll bite, Why?
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I'll bite, Why?
im not sure you wanna know.
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im not sure you wanna know.
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This was in a newspaper article about a professor I know. He also holds a JD and they referred to him as a lawyer and professor, even though he's never taken the bar. It really doesn't matter to me. I have nothing against the guy and newspapers are known screwups. It's not like he's advertising himself as a lawyer. I was just curious about the title of Lawyer.
Report him to the social media police immediately!
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Have you ever refereed to a college instructor as 'Teacher' ? Hahahaha they get so pissed!
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If you’re admitted to a bar in any state, you can call yourself a lawyer. If you’re not, you haven't been admitted to practice law in the state, so you can’t call yourself a lawyer.
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One would not want to hold yourself out as a lawyer without being admitted to practice. Being admitted involves more than just taking the bar exam, there is an separate process as well (interviews, applications, oaths, training etc.).

One way to address this frequently done by recent graduates who are in the process of being admitted is to affirmatively disclaim the fact when there may be an implication that they are an atty (for example including "*Not admitted to practice" or something similar in an email signature if sending email from a law firm account.
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It's actually pretty simple and I'm surprised no one has yet to get it correct.

A lawyer has gone to law school and possesses a J.D.

An attorney has passed a bar exam and is admitted to practice in a state.

All attorneys are lawyers but not all lawyers are attorneys. Despite common usage, the terms lawyer and attorney are not interchangeable.
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It's actually pretty simple and I'm surprised no one has yet to get it correct.

A lawyer has gone to law school and possesses a J.D.

An attorney has passed a bar exam and is admitted to practice in a state.

All attorneys are lawyers but not all lawyers are attorneys. Despite common usage, the terms lawyer and attorney are not interchangeable.
so what do you call someone who has passed the bar but no law school?
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It's actually pretty simple and I'm surprised no one has yet to get it correct.

A lawyer has gone to law school and possesses a J.D.

An attorney has passed a bar exam and is admitted to practice in a state.

All attorneys are lawyers but not all lawyers are attorneys. Despite common usage, the terms lawyer and attorney are not interchangeable.
Didn't know that. If that's how it is, then the newspaper was right, which might be a first for them.
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If you know your stuff inside and out but you're not a lawyer (e.g. you fought speeding tickets dozens of times and never lost a case), is there any law against defending someone in court or showing up on behalf of someone? If it is legal, what is that person called? No troll answers; I'd like to profit off my expertise without having to go back to school
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There are tons of Jackasses who have a clinic in Los Angeles, and say they have Doctorate in their language. They only have a damn MD, and pretending to have a PhD with it.
Isn't that illegal?
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Why do lawyers wear neckties.......to hold the foreskin down.
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