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C&D Reviews New X1 (2016)
First US review I think. It is a first drive not a full review.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t-drive-review "The X1 copes well with the double whammy of the higher center of gravity and front-wheel-drive-based chassis. But it doesn't surpass the admittedly high level of handling in the Audi Q3 or the Volkswagen Tiguan, and on the whole, we wish the X1 were a bit more involving. We miss the willingness of its predecessor when you would toss it into and through corners. On the other hand, the X1 performs surprisingly well off-road. It'll go up inclines you wouldn't dream about tackling with a car of this type, and it should have no trouble reaching a cabin at the end of a muddy trail or dealing with a tough winter. It's certainly not a magical elixir for what ails BMW, but among its competitive set, the X1 is one of the more appealing choices. And for BMW aficionados with everyday needs for space and comfort, it may be an improvement over the outgoing model." |
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It is a huge mistake for them. Vehicle's aren't aspirational because they are a good value, comfortable, or luxurious. Nobody of the current generation that is buying a BMW lusted after a Lexus. Vehicles are aspirational because they are cool, fast, sexy, and drool-worth. Young professionals that are old enough to buy a BMW want them because they are marketed as the ultimate driving machine - there is a bit of a cachet that goes with them that says, "I'm not a 70 year old grandpa in a lexus - I am young and value performance." There is a reason BMW polls better with the younger crowd than lexus and Cadillac do, and that is their entire corporate identity.
That is now lost. There is really nothing drool-worth about most new BMWs. Brands like Mercedes and Cadillac are subtly shifting towards more driver oriented cars, and I believe that will pay off in the future and leave BMW holding the bag. BMW doesn't understand that these decisions have a lag time on them - they are still selling well based off of their reputation. Even your average "joe dad" knows that BMW is always on the car and driver best car list. But another 10 years of losing reviews to the competition will take a toll. New customers who would be buying BMWs in 5-10 years will grow used to seeing Mercedes, Cadillac, and Audi winning comparisons based on driving dynamics and lust factor. They will grow up wanting those cars, not BMWs. BMW - the Cadillac of the future. |
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07-17-2015, 06:37 AM | #5 |
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Especially when you consider the Tiguan was first produced in 2007. Ironic, since BMW used the aging E90 3-series platform to underpin the first X1, which most universally agreed out-handled its competition at the time.
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But they win every comparo, and everyone I know in my age group (late 20's young professionals) would rather drive an ATS-V or CTS-V than anything BMW makes. There really isn't a single new car in BMW's lineup that interests me or most of my friends, other than possibly the M2. Cadillac is beginning to succeed in turning around their brand perception due to a focus on aggressively marketing their performance characteristics. Do some research yourself and google their brand turnaround. |
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All the new F-series I tried are great looking sloppy-chassis luxury cars, which hardly raise any emotions when you are changing the looking experience to driving. Electric steering had finally smashed the F30 steering feel and feedback into Toyota Camry category. What would I buy instead of my E84...? I don't know. Really. Maybe M2 when it is 3 years old and not that crazy-priced anymore. But let's wait and try it- is the M-division still alive at least...?
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07-17-2015, 03:26 PM | #9 |
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The sales of the ATS-V and CTS-V will be microscopic in comparison to the standard ATS and CTS which themselves are horrible. You may be a car enthusiast but that in way translates to the overall sales of the brand. Why are the sales of the 3 and 4 series so strong compared to Cadillac, it's because 95% of the market really doesn't care about being the so called best handling vehicle. GM would not be in business right now if it were not for their trucks. When I checked a few weeks ago every single car GM makes was down except the Corvette was up slightly, I mean "every" single car and most were down 10-20%.
I can't remember the last time I saw an ATS and they have 900 dealerships vs 350 BMW dealerships. GM's car business is horrible, the market is an SUV market now and sedans are declining. What once was GM business has gone to the Koreans, Toyota, Honda and other. If handling dynamics were so critical in SUV's then a slow ass Honda CRV and bad handling Toyota RAV4 wouldn't sell like they do. What surprises me is Cadillac is launching another big sedan when the two they have are not selling. When they launched the ATS they just took sales away from the CTS and they are just going to cut their pie smaller with the new sedan unless they make a hearse version for funerals.
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07-17-2015, 04:00 PM | #10 |
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The one BMW I've owned that I truly enjoyed was a Z3 M Coupe. They sold about as many in four years as Toyota sells Camrys every hour. Sales volume does not make a car good. The F3x outsells the E9x handily, but is horrible to drive in comparison.
If I needed a sedan today, it would be an ATS 2.0T with a manual and an LSD, all at a discount to (a relatively arbitrary) MSRP. |
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3 series sales are strong compared to Cadillac because the 3 series has an absolutely singular reputation for over a decade as the best luxury sedan. Many people won't even cross shop or look at any other car because the BMW is "the best" as annointed by all the car mags, their buddy at the watercooler, their "car enthusiast friend," etc. That is no longer the case. If it continues to no longer be the case, in a decade, BMW will not outsell those other brands. We are not talking about stripped down sports cars - all of these companies have luxurious interiors. It's just that the BMW is no longer fun to drive in comparison to the others. That will eventually hurt sales, period. Looking at it another way, Mercedes, Cadillac, and Audi are all drastically shifting towards more driver focused cars. Either you are right and all of them are wrong, or you are wrong and they are right. I think it is pretty obvious to everyone which is the case. |
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Better looking inside and out, more space in the trunk and the back seat. Rear vents. Navigation is standard. Looks like improved seats. Great engine and according to Car and Driver better off road. Probably will sell a lot more these in the US than the previous X1.
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The auto magazines loved the handling and power of the car. From car and driver: Quote:
If you don't care about driving feel or performance, why the heck would you buy a BMW when Lexus does comfort better, Mercedes does prestige better, Audi does interiors and AWD better? Business history is full of dead brands that abandoned their DNA in pursuit of something else. Hopefully BMW doesn't do the same. Last edited by paradoxical3; 07-17-2015 at 11:26 PM.. |
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http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t-drive-review "The 340i is no M3, but it does offer one of the best high-performance experiences in the segment. If the heart of a driving enthusiast beats within your chest, there are few better ways to indulge yourself than this remarkably subtle but capable driving machine." Remember, BMW has just had a few years of sorting things out and softening. Even during that period there have been plenty of great drivers cars in their lineup. |
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I have no idea how the new X1 drives and either do you. There are tons of bad reviews of your car. If you choose to ignore they exist than I don't know what I can do for you. But BMW exists to make money. The current versions can't compete well. Almost every X1 I see on the road is driven by a 70 year old lady. While they may appreciate the good handling I severely doubt it. Why did I buy a BMW? Well they are fun to drive. Also my family is from Bavaria so the pride of the Bavarian company. I do think they are overpriced. Seems like they have super low leases and people who actually buy them are paying more than they should. If I had to do it over I would have gotten the 3 series wagon. The X11 has turned out to be entirely impractical. It is fine if you never have more than one passenger. But with a baby on board it becomes totally annoying. Not being able to sit in the passenger seat. Not being able to get groceries in the trunk because I have a stroller. It seems the new vehicle will be more usable vehicle. It will probably sell a lot more. There are other choices for you in the BMW lineup. The new X1 will still have a great engine and transmission. Probably what I like most about my X1 |
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Nothing else you wrote really matters, because this is why you bought a BMW. Whatever your complaints are with this particular X1, the bottom line is that you were looking for a car that was fun to drive.
Perhaps you have not driven many new BMWs besides your X1 - I have. In fact, I have driven a new 3 series for about four months. It is one of the most boring cars I have ever driven. Fact - the new X1 will not be more fun to drive than its competitors. Fact - the new 3 series is not more fun to drive than its competitors. Fact - there is little point to buying a BMW if it is not more fun than its competitors, because its competitors are more practical, more luxurious, and more comfortable. You seem to think I am arguing for a car that is fun to drive at the exclusion of all of the things that make the new X1 a more practical and comfortable car. I am not. What I am saying is that I wish BMW took all of the improvements to the new car (looks, interior, tech, etc) yet kept the same sporting DNA as the first. That would be a true home run, but instead BMW ships out neutered 4 bangers that handle worse than a 7 year old VW Tiguan. No thanks, enjoy your comfortable and boring point a to point b appliance. I will be enjoying my BMW . This sums up BMWs change of heart perfectly: Last edited by paradoxical3; 07-18-2015 at 11:09 PM.. |
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M235 Car and Driver top 10 and Motor Trend top 10.
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1. Less powerful than the old one in every single trim 2. Takes away hydraulic steering and replaces it with the electric rack that is getting panned 3. Replaces a RWD biased drivetrain with a FWD biased one 4. Grows in ride height 5. Moves from the award winning e9x chassis to a new tranverse drivetrain FWD based chassis. Are you really trying to argue that it even has a chance of driving in an equivalently fun manner to the previous X1? |
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07-19-2015, 06:48 PM | #22 |
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0-60 is still 6.3 seconds, do some actual research instead of BS.
Dude, do yourself a favor and Google "what's wrong with Cadillac or Cadillac ATS/CTS "and you will see you are in a ultra small minority of opinion. Cadillac is so fucked up they can stick a fork in them. Oh and all X1 drivers are 70 year old women, I see X1's every day and the vast majority are driven by people in their 20's and 30's and a mix of men/women. I have never ever seen someone in their 70's driving an X1. Yes and if you took the best interior of blah , and best engine of blah, and best ride of blah etc etc, that's the whole point, BMW does them all well and that's why they win. Maybe not the best in any category but the best overall yet I would argue they are the best in engines based on international awards. The Cadillac 3.6 NA is pitiful, pretty much universal disdain in all magazines and their 2.0 although it has higher rated hp gets its ass kicked by BMW in all reviews I have ever read. Hell, the N20 in a 228 with auto smokes the new Mustang with a 2.3 310 hp ( look it up). Several car magazines got 5.2 0-60 in a 228 auto so you are blowing smoke up your ass about the BMW 2.0 not being great. I'm sure I'll get banned for a while but when people post that are clueless they deserve to have reality shoved back in their face.
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