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I guess you all are dense, so I'll make it crystal clear. Ford is marketing the GT500 as a giant killing 200mph super car (same as the ZR1). But compared to the two most compared cars on the market right now (i.e. 911 turbo and GTR), it's turning slow times. Regardless of specs, that's what they're comparing it too. That's my point. I'm not hating on your beloved Mustangs.... Last edited by Digital.James; 05-29-2012 at 05:56 AM.. |
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The Mustang is comfortable? I rented a Mustang GT for 2 months, and after that I was clawing for a Escort on my next rental. Last GTR and 911 I rode in was pretty damn comfortable
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Actually- I just went back a page and read your other replies, it's obvious that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about here.
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I'm not a "Mustang lover"", and have never owned one, but this comparison isn't really valid. You can't compare AWD platforms against a RWD car like the GT500. There are very few (if any) cars out there based on a RWD platform that will outdrag an AWD platform of comparable performance. The traction advantage is ridiculous.
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Maybe there should be a new magazine that post lap times with complete novices piloting the cars around the "Ring". In that case, the GTR would win all the comparisons based on its computer advantage alone.
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05-29-2012, 11:19 AM | #141 | |
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Not sure if I'll ever really get any of my cars to the Ring anyway, so I generally like seeing tracks I could actually reach out and touch, such as VIR or Streets (ideally Autobahn CC but that won't happen). |
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There used to be this web show where people would bring their cars and compete in different challenges (1/8 mile, figure 8 course, etc). Regardless, I think "this car beats this other car by 2 seconds on the Ring, so it's better" logic is kind of funny.
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I don't drag race very often, but I know last time I went, CTS-Vs were low 12s, barely in the 116-120 range (they might go higher with better drivers). So 125 in the mid-11s is pretty damn fast.
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Here's another crazy comparison from 2011.... http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...n/viewall.html Hmm, why would anyone want to compare a RWD car with a AWD car? All you can throw out is.. "AWD and DCT" Yes I know a GTR has AWD and DCT... so what??? Just like the comparision between the ZR1 and the 911 turbo in that article. They're all high horsepower sports cars PERIOD. People compare premium high horsepower sportscars to the GTR and 911 turbo because those are the standards. All those Ferari and Lambo comparisons must be crazy too since one has AWD and the other RWD. Same with comparing a 911 turbo to a Ferrari. Why would anyone compare a RS4 to a M3? Crazy talk... I can go on and on. Your arguement that one has AWD and the other RWD is so 1990s... |
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I don't think anyone has a problem with your comments about AWD vs RWD, yes, people compare them.
But you also said: Quote:
Does that mean the Scuderia is not all that impressive?
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Any cars that trap 125 MPH shouldnt be ignored. When it comes to drag racing, AWD will have a better launch every time compared to RWD/ FWD. That is common sense. If the new Shelby is running 11.5@ 125 MPH that means it is having trouble hooking on the stock tires. Put some drag radials with better condition and you will see 10s easily. Let's not forget how monstrous the GT500 will be on a roll. BTW, I have a 335. I just seem to realize that Ford made a excellent car that will demolish the 335 or M3 with MSRP at mid 50k. |
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I'm sick of arguing with people who can only bring up AWD vs RWD and manual vs DCT. They can't see the big picture. |
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The big picture is that you are comparing a RWD with a AWD. Not just that, it is a DCT AWD. You have no idea how hard it is to outshift a automatic transmission on the drag strip. Plus, a automatic transmission will always shift faster and more accurate than manual. I mean, you wouldn't understand that because you have no clue of what is even goes on, on the drag strip. Where the heck did you get 70k? The Mustang GT MSRP at 54k. Why are you bringing a fully loaded car price into this? |
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You so smart, that's exactly what I'd say!
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Weight, contact patch size, weight distribution, amount of wheels driven, tire compound, shift speed, and gear ratios are largely in charge of quick 1/4 mile times, or at least their importance is heightened immensely as the power levels (insert DBZ reference) escalate to absurd proportions.
Once you're putting out ludicrous power, AWD cars don't have to worry about bogging down, and RWD cars have to worry about converting the chaos into something useful, rather than turning it into a bunch of poofy, useless smoke. A car that can divvy up 600 horsepower between four tires with a (my assumption of the standard for high-po vehicles) 70/30 torque split will have a much easier time hooking up than a car sending 600hp to smother its two rear wheels into submission. The AWD vehicle in question splits that power and sends a reasonable 420hp to the rears and 180hp to the front. The only disadvantage is the powertrain inefficiency which can lead to friction-based losses which might affect runs at higher speeds, and of course the added weight from the extra differentials and whatnot isn't exactly a boon.
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