Horner in trouble at Red Bull

wizardofOz · 07-09-2025, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by G30M

yeah RB controls 4 cars for sure, no way RBR and RB are separate entities!

I could be wrong and Max stays

G30M · 07-09-2025, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by wizardofOz

I could be wrong and Max stays

Jos and Horner had a big argument after the race, wonder if that had anything to do with the sacking, probably not

Now I'm thinking RB knows the Max situation is serious, he's been offered something from Merc, they are doing their best to make him not leave.

G30M · 07-09-2025, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Artemis

Power grab attempt, Fionagate, Perez woes, RB21 woes, Adrian Newey and other staff woes, Liam Lawson woes, Jos and Max Verstappen woes, Yuki Tsunoda woes, WDC/WCC woes, Toto Wolff openly courting Verstappen: we can speculate about the reasons but it looks like Horner ran out of credit with the powers that be.

Austria & Jos 1 - Horner & PA - 0

Final score

3798j · 07-09-2025, 05:40 AM

Good riddance to bad rubbish...

M5Rick · 07-09-2025, 05:48 AM

Oh well I resigned from my job some time ago, it's called moving on.

Artemis · 07-09-2025, 05:51 AM

"Ferrari ‘want Red Bull F1 chief Christian Horner to join and become Lewis Hamilton’s boss’
The Sun - 27 May 2025
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/35128...ewis-hamilton/

Does Fred Vasseur need to worry ? Red Bull Racing gave no reasons for Horner's termination with immediate effect earlier today.

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E92inNC · 07-09-2025, 06:45 AM

Whatever people may think of him, he’s no doubt one of the most successful TP in F1 history. I sense an imminent move to Ferrari. Would be something if he’s able to end a two decade drought.

Killed by Death · 07-09-2025, 07:07 AM

That's a BIG MISTAKE....We will take him!!!! Viva Ferrari

wizardofOz · 07-09-2025, 07:20 AM

Plot twist:

Fred Vassuer gets hired as red bull team principal since he is going to be replaced by Christian

toxik · 07-09-2025, 07:30 AM

saw this coming from a mile away, team is a mess this season. RBR won’t get any better without horner but someone had to pay the piper

M5Rick · 07-09-2025, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by wizardofOz

Plot twist:

Fred Vassuer gets hired as red bull team principal since he is going to be replaced by Christian

I can see the MK team taking a liking to him

F32Fleet · 07-09-2025, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Artemis

"Ferrari ‘want Red Bull F1 chief Christian Horner to join and become Lewis Hamilton’s boss’
The Sun - 27 May 2025
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/35128653/ferrari-red-bull-f1-christian-horner-lewis-hamilton/

Does Fred Vasseur need to worry ? Red Bull Racing gave no reasons for Horner's termination with immediate effect earlier today.

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I would imagine there's a non-compete for at least a year.

wizardofOz · 07-09-2025, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by M5Rick

I can see the MK team taking a liking to him

Must be the wine that he brings to sunny MK

NickyC · 07-09-2025, 08:44 AM

RB 100% has four cars on the grid. There is literally a video from several years back of Helmut yelling at a lessor RB team driver for blocking/slowing down a driver on the main team. This was in the pit garage too! I’ve always wondered why the FIA has remained silent on the issue for so long.

M5Rick · 07-09-2025, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by wizardofOz

Must be the wine that he brings to sunny MK

His Pinot Noir is fine but not sure of the garlic snails and hard crusted french rolls..

wizardofOz · 07-09-2025, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by NickyC

RB 100% has four cars on the grid. There is literally a video from several years back of Helmut yelling at a lessor RB team driver for blocking/slowing down a driver on the main team. This was in the pit garage too! I’ve always wondered why the FIA has remained silent on the issue for so long.

That's an easy question, follow the money trail!

minn19 · 07-09-2025, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 3798j

Good riddance to bad rubbish...

Agreed, about time……

ptack · 07-09-2025, 10:01 AM

In other team sports the sure way for a manager/principal/head coach to get fired is to lose the team in the sense that key people quit and overall performance consistently drops. It may or may not be fair, but it's what is expected. I think Horner needed to go even though it's probably too late at this point to rescue the season or keep Verstappen. Red Bull needs a serious rebuilding and Horner has simply too much baggage and strained relationships to do it. The next question is now that Horner is out and Max is now the big dog, will he stay? Presumably he will have the opportunity to strongly influence further changes, but does he want to, or does he just want to focus on driving a good car and leave everything else to someone else (Toto?).

minn19 · 07-09-2025, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Artemis

"Ferrari ‘want Red Bull F1 chief Christian Horner to join and become Lewis Hamilton’s boss’
The Sun - 27 May 2025
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/35128...ewis-hamilton/

Does Fred Vasseur need to worry ? Red Bull Racing gave no reasons for Horner's termination with immediate effect earlier today.

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Crazy if he ends up being Lewis’s boss and Toto Max’s.

If he doesn’t end up at Ferrari, I’m sure it’ll somewhere else very soon. The only thing I think could derail the Ferrari move is I think Horner wants a part ownership of the team. A thing Ferrari will never do, unless something has radically changed there that I’m not aware of.

Artemis · 07-09-2025, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by minn19

Crazy if he ends up being Lewis’s boss and Toto Max’s.

If he doesn’t end up at Ferrari, I’m sure it’ll somewhere else very soon. The only thing I think could derail the Ferrari move is I think Horner wants a part ownership of the team. A thing Ferrari will never do, unless something has radically changed there that I’m not aware of.

Just imagine that he gets Lawson'd: team principal of Racing Bulls.

No, some strange things happened lately: exceptional absence of GP Lambiase ("personal reasons") + exceptional absence of Fred Vasseur ("personal reasons") + Russell leaking that Mercedes and Verstappen have talks.

TheBingoBalls · 07-09-2025, 10:29 AM

There has to be "a thing" that caused this and I don't think performance has nothing to do with it. F1 success is more cyclical than other sports because the rules and regulations are always changing so it's almost expected that a fall can be as quick as your rise. Red Bull has been through this cycle - success with Vettel, then they had to deal with Mercedes' run, got 2 successful years in the ground effect going into 2026.

Every team gets talent drain when you're successful, Mercedes experienced it towards their end and now Red Bull is dealing with it so it's hard for me to believe that Horner being let go is because on-track performance - this is just the nature of F1.

Killed by Death · 07-09-2025, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by F32Fleet

I would imagine there's a non-compete for at least a year.

Maybe an international lawyer needs to chime in. Is a non-compete clause still valid if fired? I guess the details are in the contract

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