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Smiles per mile, naturally aspirated, manual transmission and least depreciation and maintenance. Are those all of your requirements?
You mentioned the R8 V10. Do your requirements include Audi brand, German design or V10 engine? What other requirements do you have? What about year (age) and mileage? Probably need more discussion on how a smile is generated. Acceleration? Top speed? Lateral acceleration? Exhaust sound, based on the word "screaming" in the original post? Admiration from strangers? The original post seems to rule out Porsche. Do you agree? What else is ruled out? What was your favorite car when you were 17-25 years old, assuming you are older than those ages now? Forgive the assumption, if it is incorrect. Median price $150k? Last edited by chassis; 12-08-2019 at 11:02 AM.. |
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definitely not tied to the audi brand, or any particular engine design, not necessarily ruling out porsches, but I've had 2 before and I feel like something different might be the right move my experience is that of the cars I've owned, the naturally aspirated manual cars are the ones I've enjoyed most as for what brings me smiles, low end torque is something I appreciate (I find in a big city like the one I live in, it's hard to find chances to really rev a car out, which is a frustration I felt with the porsches I had), I value beauty and aggressive design, immediate throttle response, engine and exhaust sound, smooth buttery engine feel, handling is something I enjoy but I don't track my cars I am not into prestige or impressing others, it's all about the drive for me This would be a purely street special occassion car. Max budget I guess about 200k cdn. Yes looking for a more modern car with low mileage. my fave car back back then is hard to remember, but it was probably a porsche 911 |
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It's not a practical choice to buy a $150k car; so why insert practicality into the equation? This is why, IMO, people are often not happy with their choices and are constantly chasing something else. I don't mean this as an attack on you specifically but your original title was very non-passionate and more about "investment" details.
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It's normal (and understandable) to think about depreciation when making a large purchase, but it shouldn't be the primary factor.
Hate to break it to you but all modern cars will depreciate. There's too many of them out there and nothing is going to appreciate (unless we're talking something like a 918, La Ferrari, etc. but alas we are not). Go into it thinking "which of these cars would I be happy holding onto for 5-10 years"..."which will be more special than the new stuff all these manufactures are churning out in mass numbers". Anything NA and Manual is probably a good bet and some awesome cars were listed. I'd try to reach and get a 991.2 manual GT3 if possible, but you have a lot of other great options out there. My philosophy on cars is you have to be OK with them hitting $0 one day. All it takes is the economy taking a terrible turn, maybe you get into an accident and diminished value crushes you. etc.
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That being said a car is not an investment nor an asset, it is a liability. Literally losing dollar per hour sitting on your driveway. If you're willing to spend a bit more my suggestion would be Porshce 991.2 GT3RS, AFAIK the depreciation on them is not terrible and they're more on the rare side. Seriously though, just go drive one, when I heard it screaming at 9000RPM in person I got goosebumps and I could not stop smiling. |
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If you buy a car that depreciates slowly and has low maintenance costs as opposed to something like an aston martin that depreciates like a tank and has the potential for outrageous maintenance costs, the overall cost difference can be huge so even though it's a large investment amount in a car, which seems impractical, the choice of what to invest in still matters, unless you are in a financial position where a difference of 5 to 10k a year in your financial situation doesn't matter, which I am not |
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That's because you can buy one for $5 as is... not sure how they could depreciate at all from there... Wouldn't expect these to appreciate either as that would have already happened since we are already in the 100% turbo era... the reliability and maintenance headaches effectively made both of those cars nonstarters.
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The maintenance headaches of them is overblown, when cars are abused as often as they were and not properly maintained then they can get a bad rap. The SMG in the V10 cars has all the same maintenance frequencies as other BMW cars. The 6spd was much less problematic. Well maintained 6spds are past bottom and holding or increasing in value. Its easy to find poorly maintained V10s on the cheap, much harder to find the nice ones.
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Cars as investment? hmmm
How about? Ferrari F40 - it's modern enough -- 87-92 McLaren F1 -- 90's Ford GT (2006) and current generation Porsche Carrera GT BMW Z8 |
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You forgot the 1M——which has never depreciated at all...unlike some of the cars in your list.
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I will never spend $150k on a car. If I ever spend $100k it will be on a car that Is probably older and something I will never sell again. $150k, to me, is an impractical amount of money on a car for most people. If you really want something that won't lose money; you should consider classic cars where you likely won't lose a dime and will have more of an adventure than buying something newer, IMO. I'd say buy something you really love and enjoy your time and life rather than worrying about selling the concept of buying a compromise.
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^This. It will certainly appreciate, they are very reliable, and amazing to drive. Sure, they aren't wickedly fast, but the sensation of speed, engagement, and connection is there and something you don't find in most super/sports cars these days.
You can pick up a nice first gen NSX for $50-75K and then you can take the left over cash and invest it. Just make sure to get one with pop-up headlights and a manual.
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Again, doesn't need to be super exotic, just take a new kinda-nice-iconic car like an STI or hellcat and throw it in a garage for 20 years. People will go nuts for it when you show a never-used pristine one with zero on the odometer.
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And while im not the practical type, your wife may be right and you should do the financial comparison of putting down the additional 150K on the house vs the car and see what it looks like. If the interest costs and duration savings on the house significantly exceed the car enjoyment and depreciation, then u have a real decision to make..... |
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Maybe 5X to 10X 150K for some of these, except the Z8 ofcourse There are many investment cars but very few sub 200K |
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Makes me wonder how well Rally Road's investments will hold up (it's a service that lets you invest in shares of classic cars): https://www.hagerty.com/articles-vid...ars-rally-road Article covers some interesting choices
With the R8 to be discontinued, any R8 (especially V10 or manual) is a decent choice, along with I'd argue the first gen Acura NSX (maybe some of the early 2000s ricers will want this as a collector item) |
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