Still want an EV? (NO POLITICS)

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Ford Cuts Michigan Workforce for Electric Truck That Joe Bozo Touted
19 Jan 2024
On Friday, Ford executives announced that about 1,400 auto workers at the Rouge Electric Vehicle Center in Dearborn, Michigan, would be moved to other manufacturing jobs at the company or offered retirement packages.
The workforce cuts come as Ford scales back production of its all-electric F-150 Lightning due to a lack of demand among American consumers.
“This sucker’s quick,” Bozo said while driving the pickup truck.
*At the same time, Ford executives said they are hiring about 900 auto workers in Michigan to produce traditional gas-powered cars, indicating that such vehicles are in high demand against electric vehicles (EVs).
The latest Rasmussen Report survey, though, found that 65 percent of American adults said they were not likely to consider buying an EV when purchasing their next car — including 37 percent who stated they are “not at all likely” to buy an EV. Fewer than three in ten Americans said they would consider purchasing an EV.
A Consumer Reports survey conducted in late 2023 found that EVs have almost 80 percent more problems than gas-powered cars using traditional combustion engines.
https://www.breitbart.com/economy/20...-biden-touted/

I'm feeling more cynical than usual today. So did Ford, under pressure of CAFE fines in 2023 keep up production of EV's knowing that they would scale back in 2024 and eliminate EV jobs in an election year?

* Details. To be fair, Ford is reportedly adding a 3rd shift to the Michigan Assembly Plant (MAP) where the Bronco and Ranger are built. From FoMoCo:

"DEARBORN, Mich., Jan. 19, 2024 – Ford Motor Company announced plans to create nearly 900 new jobs as part of a new third crew at Michigan Assembly Plant in Wayne to meet demand for the popular Bronco and Bronco Raptor and the all-new Ranger and Ranger Raptor.

The company is moving nimbly across its global footprint to capitalize on its balanced lineup and serve customers with the right mix of gas-powered, hybrid and electric vehicles, while optimizing financial returns.

In addition to nearly 900 net new hires, the new 1,600-person third crew at Michigan Assembly Plant will also include approximately 700 employees from Ford’s Rouge Complex in Dearborn who applied for job openings.

Ford is adding the manpower this summer to support planned future volume increases for vehicle lines assembled at the plant. The all-new Ranger and Ranger Raptor are on track to launch this year. Michigan Assembly Plant will transition to producing vehicles seven days a week versus five currently, with three crews working two shifts.

Approximately 1,400 employees will be impacted as the Rouge Electric Vehicle Center transitions to one shift effective April 1. Roughly 700 will transfer to Michigan Assembly Plant and the others will be placed in roles at the Rouge Complex or other facilities in Southeast Michigan, or take advantage of the Special Retirement Incentive Program agreed to in the 2023 Ford-UAW contract."

Edit:

Just to add. BMW lost my business in 2022 as a result of it not selling a regular sport-package 3-series with a manual transmission. A Ford Bronco filled the bill.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by murderspice

Please ease up on the hyperbole; it detracts from your position and makes you sound crazed.

If you knew how Montgomery County Maryland is run, it's not hyperbole. When I lived there and the county declared a "red alert" for air quality, I'd go out and fire up as many of my lawn equipment engines as I could.

I suggested my friend convert his leafblower to run a small electric generator to charge the batteries of the electric leafblower he'll have to buy next year.

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

We just need a faster printing press...

I doubt we’d be so reliant on deficit spending if we actually went for the low hanging fruit; things like tax enforcement and closing loopholes brings vast fucking waves of revenue (my words). Why should some asshole get away with easily discoverable tax fraud just because he’s rich and files a more “complicated” tax form than me. Fuck him, he should get caught and have to pay just like i would. Same with people with offshore tax havens; or am i the sucker because Im not rich like them? /rant

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

If you knew how Montgomery County Maryland is run, it's not hyperbole. When I lived there and the county declared a "red alert" for air quality, I'd go out and fire up as many of my lawn equipment engines as I could.

I suggested my friend convert his leafblower to run a small electric generator to charge the batteries of the electric leafblower he'll have to buy next year.

The city of Toronto is planning on banning gas powered lawn mowers, leaf blowers, snow blowers etc.

[Car-Addicted]

Some times you just need a good The Babylon Bee

SACRAMENTO, CA — With skyrocketing costs and grid failures across California, the Californian government is recommending everyone purchase a giant human-sized hamster wheel to generate electricity to charge their electric cars.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by murderspice

I doubt we’d be so reliant on deficit spending if we actually went for the low hanging fruit; things like tax enforcement and closing loopholes brings vast fucking waves of revenue (my words). Why should some asshole get away with easily discoverable tax fraud just because he’s rich and files a more “complicated” tax form than me. Fuck him, he should get caught and have to pay just like i would. Same with people with offshore tax havens; or am I the sucker because I'm not rich like them? /rant

I'd prefer tax law that promotes capital investment in American companies and technology to increase the US job base, which would generate more tax revenue.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Washington already did in GFY 2023 (October 2022). Last I read, so far, two chargers were installed in Massachusetts. We just need a faster printing press...

2 Chargers only ??? My friends told me his city has only 12 Chargers, I was like WTF

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Some times you just need a good The Babylon Bee

SACRAMENTO, CA — With skyrocketing costs and grid failures across California, the Californian government is recommending everyone purchase a giant human-sized hamster wheel to generate electricity to charge their electric cars.

No one need a EV car anymore. Either ppl are fit enough to go anywhere without cars or just drop dead

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

When I lived there and the county declared a "red alert" for air quality, I'd go out and fire up as many of my lawn equipment engines as I could.

You do see how that makes you the asshole, right?

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Some times you just need a good The Babylon Bee

SACRAMENTO, CA — With skyrocketing costs and grid failures across California, the Californian government is recommending everyone purchase a giant human-sized hamster wheel to generate electricity to charge their electric cars.

This actually isnt a bad idea; gets fat asses off the couch AND saves the environment. Win/win, imo. Doesnt apply if you have no legs, obviously.

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I'd prefer tax law that promotes capital investment in American companies and technology to increase the US job base, which would generate more tax revenue.

Or we could, you know, catch the criminals that already owe us billions of dollars and make them pay us. If you like law enforcement, this should be right up your alley.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by murderspice

You do see how that makes you the asshole, right?

Yes. Pretty much how I view politicians. And here I thought you guys liked "peaceful protests"?

My definition of "asshole" is someone who lives the same way I do* but tells me I'm hurting the planet by somehow changing the climate.

* eats food, wears clothes, lives in a home w/ HVAC and indoor plumbing, breathes air (CO2 is a pollutant remember), watches TV, and types on the internet.

My definition of "Bigger Asshole" is someone who flies private but mandates I have to drive an electric car. Or someone who runs his mouth about polar bears, but lives in a house that consumes more energy in a month than the average American uses in a year.

Get it now?

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by murderspice

Or we could, you know, catch the criminals that already owe us billions of dollars and make them pay us. If you like law enforcement, this should be right up your alley.

If you like math, this is right up your alley. Take all the combined wealth of the US billionaires (use Forbes list if you want) and divide it by the national debt and see what number you get. (hint: it's a number less than one (1))

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

2 Chargers only ??? My friends told me his city has only 12 Chargers, I was like WTF

Two chargers using the Fed's billions earmarked for the states.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by murderspice

Or we could, you know, catch the criminals that already owe us billions of dollars and make them pay us. If you like law enforcement, this should be right up your alley.

You mean like these Crooks and Criminals:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mark...ts/ar-AA1mqaQ4


We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office.
Aesop

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Yes. Pretty much how I view politicians. I thought you guys liked "peaceful protests"?

My definition of "asshole" is someone who lives the same way I do* but tells me I'm hurting the planet by somehow changing the climate.

* eats food, wears clothes, lives in a home w/ HVAC and indoor plumbing, breathes air (CO2 is a pollutant remember), watches TV, and types on the internet.

My definition of "Bigger Asshole" is someone who flies private but mandates I have to drive an electric car. Or someone who runs his mouth about polar bears, but lives in a house that consumes more energy in a month than the average American uses in a year.

Get it now?

I couldn't agree more Efthreeoh. Very well said. We have one fit in your description like 100%. He used our tax money go on vacation with his family by flying all over the world. What does he really do to our Canadian, nothing but just keep spending money..... He definitely be the biggest Asshole

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by murderspice

This actually isnt a bad idea; gets fat asses off the couch AND saves the environment. Win/win, imo. Doesnt apply if you have no legs, obviously.

Pretty sure that's racist or sexist or something! They can hand crank it!!

[M5Rick]

Polestar not far from bankruptcy.

[Chappers 71]

The true cost of an EV? Think tank claims subsidies for electric vehicles cost $50,000 PER CAR over a ten-year period
Federal and state subsidies have artificially driven up electric car sales
But EVs cost everyone, according to the Texas Public Policy Foundation
Ford said this month that it incurs a loss of around $36,000 on each EV it sells


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/yourmone...true-cost.html

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Chappers 71

The true cost of an EV? Think tank claims subsidies for electric vehicles cost $50,000 PER CAR over a ten-year period
Federal and state subsidies have artificially driven up electric car sales
But EVs cost everyone, according to the Texas Public Policy Foundation
Ford said this month that it incurs a loss of around $36,000 on each EV it sells


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/yourmone...true-cost.html

Sound like getting an EV helps a taxpayer recoup some money.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Sound like getting an EV helps a taxpayer recoup some money.

Sounds to me like Robbing Peter to pay Paul.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Sounds to me like Robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Don’t blame the player. Blame the game.