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I believe the 382HP B58 6 cyl in the M340i is the best this generation has to offer. But electrification of high performance BMW models is not a question of if but when.
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I just don't see BMW adding hybrid technology to M cars in the future but nothing surprises me anymore.
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And don't forget BMW also has a high output B48 4 cyl 2 liter turbo rated at "302HP", likely under rated in good old BMW fashion and probably making close to 350HP. Here is the thing though. The last time a M5 was offered with a NA 6cyl was during the E34 era, which used the S38 engine. It's been 26+ years since the last E34 M5 rolled off the assembly line. E34 M5 production ended in August 1995. Every M5 since then has had a V shaped engine: E39 M5: V8 E60M5: V10 F10: Twin turbo V8 F90: Twin turbo V8, all wheel drive. So as you can see, BMW has been shoving down V8s and V10s in the M5 for the last 20 years. Today's M5 buyers expect a V8 as minimum baseline in their new M5s. Those wanting a 6 in line M car have to "downgrade" to either M3 or M4. (Or X3M, X4M if they tolerate SUVs). I am not staying it isn't plausible, but I think it’s more likely for the next gen M5 is a fully electric than downsized to inline 6 engine. "Lucy" the G30 BEV prototype is a clear indication of where BMW wants to take the 5 Series next. Why would anyone bother with a 6 cyl M5 today? If that's your thing, save the cash and get a M340i or spring for the upcoming 545e G30 hybrid. Far more interesting in my book.
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2016 is underrated IMO.
M3 looked amazing M2 was launched M4 was available, with some crazy variants M5 was decent with a new model on the horizon The only knock is the EPS steering is just not as good. Hydraulic give you so much more feel in a car, it is amazing the difference. |
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My first bimmer was an E36 way back in the day, then later two E46's in the E46fanatics heydays. My E46 days was the best, the fanatics community was great. These cars still look great to date and in fact the E46 M3 is still my favorite of them all. As for chassis the G20 is excellent, the only drawback is the steering, I still struggle with this aspect of the car.
The irony is that, people crap over the Lexus 3IS but that car has superior steering to the G20. Can't believe BMW couldn't do a better job when Toyota manages to do that. I never bought the E90, never cared for that interior layout so held unto my E46 for 11 years and 200k miles before we parted. Also, was not a fan of the F30 so I went to the competition for my driving fix. As for the future, I am torn. BMW is heading into a scary place as do most other car makers and seems hell bent on following Mercedes. Mercedes certainly is not the answer. Most likely I may have to buy an older bimmer and keep for the long term. Yesterday, I went to the Miami BMW poker run and saw many locals with classic BMW's in excellent condition, E36/E46,E39 M cars and many more. I will not buy an electric bmw or any 4 cylinder hybrid setup ala Mercedes regardless of how impressive the performance stats maybe.
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I had a shorty sport too! I loved the way that car drove. Just didn't like the tons of maintenance that the engine and chassis required hahah. But man, what a classic BMW design that was.
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Mid 90's-early 2000's was the zenith of BMW.
They could do no wrong in terms of style, image, and driving experience. Objectively, today's cars are better but relative to their time, they aren't close to the E38/E46/E39/E53. If you read car magazines, you'd be hard pressed to find a comparison test they weren't #1 in, to the point everyone thought BMW was handing the test editors millions. |
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The E46 was a bit less so of everything that was the E36 but still the connection to the road was excellent. In fact, when I got my F80 I still had an E46 for a few months and when I drove it back-to-back, the F80 was hugely more luxurious and intensely faster, a much better car. But the E46 being smaller, lighter, and less sound insulation, had more road feel and better connection to the road. Ideally, if the G80 was a combo of the driving feel, light weight and road connection of the E46 with the performance, luxury and technologies of the F80 - and no pig snout grille - that would be perfect. But that's not reality. So I think it comes down to this: if smaller, lightweight cars with excellent road feel are your cup of tea, then the best days were the E36/46 era; if luxury, performance and HP are your wheelhouse, then the best days are now. |
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Best days were when they had high revving NA engines.
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E46 is overrated imho. Yes it felt sharp and quite light but it did not feel fast. I have driven all M3 generations apart from E36 numerous times. The first M3 that felt properly fast was the E92. The S65 was worlds more thrilling as an engine as the metallic sounding S54, more power, better throttle response, higher revving etc...
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