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Also, I am not sure why you are even here arguing in the X1 forum if you don't own one. There is no need for insults about our cars. I would never insult your M235i even though it is significantly, significantly slower than my X1 on the drag strip and on the road course. Quote:
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07-20-2015, 01:03 PM | #24 |
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yes, that's nice but what say you regarding the 3 series.....not on 10 Best list. Paradoxical is right when he alludes to BMW is not building cars for purists thses days. its 60% luxury/practicality and 40% performance. New X1 has no 6cyl, no hydraulic steering for superior road feel, no rear biased AWD, no low center of gravity. These are not what the brands new customer base value now. these things are important to purist performance customer but not the majority of BMW's customers
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07-20-2015, 08:55 PM | #25 |
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I think everyone is right in some ways. The old X1 we all have drove great but suffered from relatively horrible packaging. The new one fixes that but gives away a lot of driving enjoyment.
What I think paradox is missing is that kids these days don't aspire to driving fun to drive cars or really any cars at all. Maybe BMW saw the writing on the wall and decided to sell to the market as it will exist in 10 years not as it existed 20 years ago. I suspect the X1 will sell better than ever and more to the market BMW actually wants. They never wanted the X1 to be sold to enthusiasts and sales would have been stronger if they were more practical since they are competing in a market of practical cars. Is it a loss for people who appreciate the old school BMW feel? Absolutely, but for every one of us, there are 3 people who don't care about that but do want a car that looks better and can actually fit their family. BMW is dead, long live BMW. |
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07-21-2015, 09:29 PM | #28 | |
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The increased ride height is good. They are selling as SUV so it should be able to handle some off road stuff. I would wait to drive the new X1 before making an opinion on the vehicle. The 4 in my X1 has ton of power the six really has no purpose on American roads with speed limits no higher than 75. If you want a six and a lower ride height I suggest you buy a car instead of SUV or keep your Current X1. Obviously you are not the target demographic for the new X1. Just because it doesn't fit you doesn't mean it won't sell a lot more vehicles. |
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07-22-2015, 01:30 AM | #29 |
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My situation might not be typical: Bought the X1 because I needed a practical/economical vehicle for driving my kids to school (100 miles a day!). Never expected the car to be such a blast to drive and for a 4-cylinder to have such power!
Now I've been bitten by the performance bug and refuse to compromise and accept less power in the new iteration. |
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07-22-2015, 07:46 AM | #30 | |
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With AWD, you can easily make use of 3-400 HP in the 0-80 MPH range people tend to drive in. Let alone that not everyone drives 75, and passing/merging power is a big luxury. It would take about 100 HP to make an X1 do 75. Are you suggesting they should have given it only that much? You know, because anything more would have "no purpose". I will say, that with the 8 speed, the 4 banger is the better choice for most buyers vs. the N55. But that doesn't mean you should discredit the 6 for those that enjoy the performance (and aftermarket potential). My wifes' X1 makes about 380hp, and she still asks for more. PS, the 4 in your X1 has nothing even remotely resembling "tons" of power. It's a great base engine, and certainly powerful enough to make the car fun. But you have less power than a V6 Camry or RAV4. 240 hasn't been "tons" of power" in over a decade. Last edited by PrematureApex; 07-22-2015 at 08:00 AM.. |
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Much of that has to do with gas prices...and the fact that we don't get a 335 touring here.
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It's a base engine. It's a very good base engine, but hardly intended to be a "performance engine" if you're being honest. If you consider 240 HP in a 3700 lb car performance...well...you've set the bar low. 240 HP is pedestrian. All that being said, sure, there's little reason to offer a turbo 6 in the X1. It was pretty cool that BMW tossed us a bone with the E84...albeit with the wrong transmission(s). It was a quirky/fun combination that I know many enthusiasts enjoyed. Anyway, with the transverse engine, any new performance X1 will have to have a high-output 4 anyway. And there's still hope for the 335 touring...fingers crossed. Last edited by PrematureApex; 07-22-2015 at 08:06 AM.. |
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Re: 6cyl - not a weak argument
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07-22-2015, 10:30 AM | #35 |
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The new X1 is too slow for my tastes, so in order to make it faster I am putting a 550whp Pure Turbo in my e84 x1. That way I can tow the new X1 behind it, which is the only way the new one will have reasonable performance.
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07-22-2015, 10:37 AM | #36 |
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I bought my X1 for all the reasons said that no one buys N55 X1's.
Having driven a 28i, I find them rather soulless and pedestrian. They are perfectly adequate transportation, but nowhere near as fun as the 35i. I like the 6 speed actually. The 8 speed in the 28i I drove wasn't that awesome IMHO. Maybe I am missing something. Maybe it was the tune? It was rather sluggish in shifting. And the Alpina flash makes our 6 speed sing. Gas mileage doesn't seem much to write home about in the 28i either. My 35i is getting around 22.8 in mixed city 70%/Hwy 30% driving now. I drive fairly normally but I do romp on it quite a bit as it is a kick in the balls. Especially to a-hole drivers in their Camaro's...or whatever... Now I am sure I will hear all about how someone knows a guys, uncles, sisters, brother in law is getting 68 MPG in their 28i. But I am sticking to my experience. I have a record of every fillup so far. I am hitting the BMW driving experience here on Monday. Doing some autocrossing. Maybe they will have the new X1 out there. I will report back. I am also hitting the M experience dinner on Tuesday night. Mmmmmm, all the M's I can eat....sweet.... |
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08-13-2015, 09:27 PM | #38 |
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BMW have it right, yeah enthusiasts are gonna be pissed but the current X1 is crazy small inside and the ride and refinement are agricultural at best, absolute shite refinement TBH.
BMW went soft and sell bazillons of 3-series, Cadillac went all har dcore and couldn't sell to their own mother. Hate to say it but BMW saw it coming. |
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08-14-2015, 12:54 AM | #39 | |
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Yes, the new one will sell many more and be a high volume entry Crossover for BMW, but that doesn't mean we performance junkies have to like it and more importantly --- we don't have to buy/lease it. We'll just complain and move to something else. Maybe the gurus at BMW will throw we subcompact SAV performance buyers a bone in the future. |
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08-14-2015, 12:32 PM | #43 |
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I also thought about Golf R as a replacement of my X1 few years later. Just wonder if the size of the trunk is comparable. The trunk space on X1 is enough for me.
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08-14-2015, 12:40 PM | #44 |
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our only hope would be for folks in Munich to configure the upcoming X2 so that it can accommodate the B58 engine with 8sp transmission and provide rear bias AWD. I hope the platform is modular to permit the above changes. I can give up the hydraulic steering to get the above. otherwise its X3 35i or leave BMW for another brand like VW Golf / Porsche Macan S.
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