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02-18-2011, 05:37 AM | #23 | |
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Are you referring to the fact that the Turbo 4 has a small displacement? Could you please elaborate on what the weight of the car has to do with the displacement?
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02-18-2011, 05:56 AM | #24 | |
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I would imagine in the UK hardly anyone buys a petrol 3-series either. Their 4-cyl 2.0 petrol that you find in the 320i, 120i and the X1 sDrive18i that I've ordered is about 5 years behind I would say. I would think this diesel trend runs across Europe, but US and other petrol-loving markets BMW need new efficient 4s. To be honest they're quite late to the party, compared to VW/Audi and others as well. What's interesting is that as recently as about a year ago VW have been pushing customers toward their petrol engines - they found diesels expensive to make. And BMW have been pushing diesels - as they are doing now at the expo in US - they're trying to convert US customers. Last edited by manicm; 02-18-2011 at 06:13 AM.. |
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02-18-2011, 06:36 AM | #25 | |
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Different story on the diesel front, they are miles ahead of anyone else. The one difficult market is of course the US with their love of big engines. This is going to change rather quickly I think as the sheer weight of international demand is going to mean the demise of the big capacity engines in small/medium cars. Of course there will be exceptions like the M3 etc but in general I think NA is going to be dragged kicking and screaming into this new era.
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02-18-2011, 08:12 AM | #27 |
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South, while that may be the case, you may notice that the I6 powered X1s are gone from the bmw.com website. And it's not just the 28i model being changed over to the new N20, they have also removed the former 25i model completely. While this does not prove anything, I think the implication here is more than apparent - the I6 powered X1 is no longer available and will not be made available or produced ever again (except perhaps an N55 model, of which I remain a skeptic ).
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02-18-2011, 08:19 AM | #28 | |
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I think its safe to say that you will see a very competitive price for this vehicle. I would expect something close to the Acura RDX pricing, given that this is its closest competition. |
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02-18-2011, 08:26 AM | #29 |
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I'm not sure your frame of reference for this question, but you can assume it is currently being tested in the F2x 1 series, F3x 3 series, F1x 5 series, F25 X3, E89 Z4, and of course the E84 X1 since it will very soon become the volume gasoline engine for all these vehicles. It will probably even see duty in the E70 X5 in some countries.
If you just meant with respect to the journalists' comments in this thread - clearly they are testing the X1 xDrive28i. |
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Your comment makes no sense, however, since this engine will offer performance that is as good or better than the naturally aspirated inline 6 it replaces. Also, there is no Civic or Focus with anwhere near 250hp, nor with a turbocharged engine in the US, although there will be the Focus ST Ecoboost in a year's time.
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02-18-2011, 08:44 AM | #31 |
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That's not true, the EVO X stock boost is like 19-20psi, and trust me, there's plenty left on the table there. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see this engine put down 250whp with a tune.
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02-18-2011, 08:50 AM | #33 | |
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02-18-2011, 08:58 AM | #34 | |
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I think this is a good engine, but I would not buy into it thinking there is an easy 15% HP boost waiting. Article on Proceed for EVO http://www.insideline.com/mitsubishi...e-systems.html Sounds to me like the boost was not changed all that much but the mixture and timing get major changes. Whether the BMW turbo four has these characteristics is unknown.
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And, as SCOTT said in one of his posts both the Z4 and 5 series will get the N20 at that time as well. They aren't talking about the 4 cyl being cheaper than the 6 cylinder it will be sold along side of, they are talking about it's price relative to the outgoing N52 I6 that it will be replacing. |
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02-18-2011, 09:14 AM | #36 | |
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As an example Fiat have brought out a new 2cyl 0.9l engine (TwinAir) in the Fiat 500 over here. Its quite a bit more expensive than the 4cyl 1.2l and 1.4l. Why? More power etc etc.
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02-18-2011, 09:23 AM | #37 | |
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For example the merc 180/200/230/250 CGI engines are all 1.8l T4's!
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And yes, I meant it won't be cheaper than the N52, not the remaining 6 (N55). Thanks! |
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02-18-2011, 09:45 AM | #39 |
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True, now that you mention it.
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02-18-2011, 10:11 AM | #40 | |
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Instead I was referring to the fact that while the 3.0L N52 (or N51/N3) currently gets different badges (28i and 30i in the US, and 25i too still in some countries), it remains unclear whether then N20, and specifically the N20B20, will be handled the same way. Personally, I think for simplicity's sake, it would be nice to see this: N20B20 = 30i N55B30 = 40i N63B44 = 50i N74B60 = 60i (hey whaddya know - it matches up! ) Granted I am completely ignoring the diesel range, and the upcoming 1.6L I4 turbo and 1.xL I3 engine range (mainly because we don't get those in the US, except a couple I6 diesels). |
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02-18-2011, 11:46 AM | #41 |
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There is no way BMW will lower the price of any models in the US when they switch from the 6 to the turbo 4. They had a press release from the President or VP of BMW North America 6 months to a year ago stating that fact. I've had the inline 6 in several X3's at both 230HP and 260 HP and would still rather have the torque of the turbo 4. While the 6 is a great engine at high rpm its not great off the line with an automatic, it needs to be rev'd just like the 3 E46 M3's I also owned. You never got much of a kick in the pants from the E46 until you hit very high rpms.
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02-18-2011, 12:53 PM | #44 | |
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Well, so far the reviewers do not seem to have noted this as an issue. It doesn't mean it won't be noticeable by some potential owners, but I suspect you'll the part of a very small minority. You may note that BMW has been building four cylinder luxury cars for decades now with much success, as have their European competitors. They obviously understand how to keep NVH at an acceptable level, though I'm sure they probably can't please everyone in this regard.
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