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How about this bad boy... with a simple tune
Seriously though, the X1 seems like a great car, and that would be very impressive to see one doing a sub 12 sec 1/4 or sub 4 sec 0-60. If there's any takers would love to watch and participate, as this is all in good fun, and would love to see a new "SUV/SAV" category in roll-racing or 1/4's or any other race for that matter. Good luck and keep us posted...
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The X1 (35i) IS a great vehicle. A entry level BMW suv/sav that is comfortable, pounds on 99% of its competitors and is faster than 95% of all vehicles on the road...STOCK. Modding it and saying it's faster then XYZ stock is just plain dumb.
That AMG is sick!!!
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That Amg....creation...is insane. Was that on Jalopnik a while back? I saw it somewhere....didn't some Russian have it modified? BTW, found a more representative dyno chart of a car without downpipes. This is exactly what my X1 should have. Last edited by paradoxical3; 03-01-2013 at 05:16 PM.. |
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03-01-2013, 05:42 PM | #114 |
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Oh man!, If only I would have known this a month ago!
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Funny, I don't see any modded X1 timeslips in your list of "facts." Why don't you go run a quarter with your beast and then post the numbers for us? My guess is you barely trap above 100mph and/or barely get into the 12s. Which means under 90% of real-world driving situations, a stock M3 will out accelerate your SAV. (Around here, speed limits on arterial roads are 55+ and freeway traffic regularly goes 85+) But by all means, prove us all wrong. But please do so with "facts" from your own vehicle, or at least your own vehicle type. I, for one, would love to find out the results. P.S. Who threatens to race other people for pink slips over the internet anymore? Do you live with your parents?
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03-01-2013, 06:34 PM | #116 | |
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But you should know, a 100% stock X1 traps 99.2mph @ 13.8 - on a slow track of 1100ft elevation, on 91 octane, and on all season tires with traction control on. It's interesting you think adding some Pirelli P Zero's, 100 WHP and 170lbft torque translates to only a .8mph improvement At the same track (edmunds test track), the M3 did 12.9 @ 111.0. So we're talking a .9s difference and 11.8mph trap speed stock, even taking into account the M3's advantages like launch control, real performance tires, etc. Add good tires, disable DTC, and 100whp and 170lbft torque to the X1 and that differential should shrink very quickly. Last edited by paradoxical3; 03-01-2013 at 06:55 PM.. |
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There are so many assumptions and so much misinformation in this thread it reminds me of why message boards can be so dangerous to people who buy this crap as truth.
Turbo motors are finicky? (ridiculously general and wrong) A STOCK m3 is "probably" more reliable than a modded x1? (Ummm, bite the bullet here, this is just a dumb statement) Dinan is warrantied? (wrong, this is a dealers choice, not a BMW certified modification) You can return to stock and a dealer won't know? (Also wrong, and fraud by the way, but for most modern cars the dealer can look at past parameters and immediately flag that th car has been modified. "Gee, sir, says here you were at 125% throttle, how did that happen? DENIED) My C63 traps 115-118 bone stock. Thats what matters. Who will be passing who at that speed. If you pick up 20mph with your mods, congratulations, really, would be great. Love the X1, especially a modded 35i, it's a little rocket. But you've made these arrogant (and uninformed) comments before in threads about thinking you're going to be out walking anyone and everyone with your little 12.9 supercar, and dude, it's a great car, but really your approach to this whole thing (espcially the misinformaton you use to prove a point) sucks. There's always someone faster, so why go into any conversation thinking your the big fish. In a sea of Kia's sure our cars are great, throw us in the shark tank with some TT Gallardos and we now drive matchbox cars, but who cares, everything isn't a competition just enjoy. It's a great car, and it's awesome you're modding it. Leave it at that! |
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I was actually going to originally buy the M3 (my company was supposed to lease me a second company car) but when that fell through I needed something more practical. I figured hey, what the heck - if I can't drive the M3, at least a modded X1 is as fast in a straight line, which is the most often-used type of speed on the street. It's only when people came in here - from the M3 forum pretending to be some sort of forum warriors, don't forget - and starting misrepresenting what I was saying that I started explaining why I believe it to be faster. And again, I'll point out that I've not only posted dyno's of the N55 making massively more torque and equivalent horsepower to the M3, shown timeslips of a 335 xdrive (which is the EXACT same weight and drivetrain as the X1) beating the M3 in a straight line, but I've even offered to buy a M3 owner dinner if he's willing to race me and have it videotaped! If you're going to come in here threadcrap, at least have the balls to back it up. I might win, I might lose, but I'll tell you one thing - if a stock M3 is willing to race me at Edgewater, you can be damn sure that I'll be there ready to go. Last edited by paradoxical3; 03-02-2013 at 11:26 AM.. |
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dont know whats confusing! just got tired of hearing how fast the E92 M3 is, this is the X1 forum, correct? just stating that the e92 M3 IMHO is a slug of a car, not impressive at all, Bmw's poor attempt at a M Status car not even fast, even a x5 M you cn say what a fast fun to drive suv, i cant say the same for the m3...they needed to put a v8 twin turbo in it instead they used a slimmed down 4.0 liter instead of 5 liter version of a engine they used in the 2000 M5,
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What are you talking about? Think you need to look at the user name before commenting, i think your talking about someone else!
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no my partner had a 1998 Bmw 540 6 speed and the name stuck, we have had this id for over 10 years now....he was more into Bmw's then me...
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It's really funny how your bravado diminishes with every post. Do I need to remind you that you started all of this with your statement that an X1 will "beat an M3 in a straight line with a simple tune." Now it's obvious you've backed well off of that statement, for good reason. Your car does not have just a "simple tune", nor has it been proven capable of beating any stock M3s in a straight line. (All you do is push forward hypotheticals and counterfactuals, with your hand-picked examples of some of the worst timeslips available for the E92 M3, and under your arbitrary assumptions and speed limit rules that serve only to disadvantage the M3. Even with that, the best you can do is claim a tie that you haven't proven.) Speaking for myself and my friends, most of us M fans are BMW fans in general, and we like seeing fellow BMW enthusiasts do well. It's your puerile demeanor, your childish demands to race strangers for pink slips (against cars with mods that would beat you, no less!), and your false and unjustified assertions, that make people criticize you. Even the C63 owner commented on your unjustified arrogance. You play like a troll, you get treated like a troll. For me, I think the X1 is a nice cute little car. I look forward to seeing your timeslips posted on dragtimes. Now that I know it can be made somewhat quick, maybe I'll get the wife one soon
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If you're going to claim that there is a greater differential between the M3 and the X1, the onus is on you to prove me (and Edmunds) wrong. I'm the only one that's posted data here. The X1 that Edmunds tested further had all season tires on it; mine came from the factory with Pirelli P Zero's. That alone is good for .1 seconds along with disabling DTC. The point I am making is that on the same track under the same conditions, there is a .9 second differential between a stock M3 and a stock X1 with all season tires. If you've ever been to the track before you should realize that adding 100WHP and performance tires to a car is good for easily a full second on cars of these weight, which would put the X1 in front of the M3. So I assume you have proof that Edmunds is wrong since you're so confident of your claims? I wish I could find another publication that tested both, but Car and Driver only tested the 28i in the 1/4 mile. Last edited by paradoxical3; 03-03-2013 at 10:36 PM.. |
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One can deduce from these 2 quotes that you are saying your JB4 tune is good for 100whp on your otherwise stock car? Please clarify. Not taking into account other fallacies here (magazine racing, p-zeros as "performance tires" etc), just seeing if I'm missing something within your very clear statements. |
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And P-zero's are Max Performance tires, not performance tires. My bad! I'm glad you pointed that out though, as it only further helps my case. Anything else? |
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the post is laughable, thinking a e92 M3 is a fast car at all is funny! Its a slug! As long as your happy with one, who cares! I'm just glad I never purchased one, and the costs to modify one is horrific, $$ vs. hp! Buy a 335 spend a grand and you will have a faster, fun driving car! oh and get better gas mileage too. I also doubt your claims of a X1 35i with a few mods not being able to beat a stock M3, I wont know for sure until my down pipes are installed and get it tuned on a dyno, but a 0-60 time of 4.8 sec (Bmw claims) and 4.6 (most road tests claim) is not that impressive or hard to beat, hell the new chrysler srt8 300c does a 4.5 0-60, hell even my old 2004 e55 was 4.2 0-60 stock, 12.2 1/4 mile, when i had it renntech modified it was 3.3 0-60 and 11.2 1/4 mile, so you are correct it is laughable that one would think a stock e92 m3 is fast at all....
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correct i guess its just slow compared to what I'm used to driving, Just getting excited about a car that pulls the numbers the M3 does and someone having the audacity to challenge cars like theirs is some sort of speed rocket is ridiculous, IMHO and several articles the m3 fell short of keeping up with current vehicles it claims to be a part of, example supposedly the new Subaru Brz is a wonderful driving car and its price is very affordable and the magazines praise it on value and quality of the driving experience, the m3 was praised on neither..mercedes makes no claims on value but does claim performance which it delivers, the m3 claimed performance and it fell short and fell short in the value area, again in my opinion and several articles, even the Bimmer magazine states the e92 M3 fell short of customers expectations, citing that previous m products have the fun factor if not performance, like i said good luck to you, don't worry be happy!
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