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      04-13-2013, 09:16 AM   #1
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1200 Mile Break In Service

Greetings fellow x1'ers. I picked up a '13 35i last week and couldn't be happier. After owning several used bmw's over the past 17 years ranging from 528e's, various e34 525/535's and e39 grocery getter 525/528's to the mighty e39 M5, I finally got my first ever brand new bmw. @ around 1200-1500 miles I plan on having my indie change out all 4 major fluid's (oil, rear diff, front transfer case and automatic). I tried searching but haven't found anything related to this for the e84 so I hope you guys can point me in the right direction. What is the fluid capacity for the diff, transfer case and the automatic? Should I purchase OEM fluids or use any of the aftermarket brands? Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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Wouldn't that be covered under the ultimate maintenance plan?
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What a waste of money, why would you possibly want to do that? I'm on my 14th BMW and would never ever consider changing fluids before they are suggested and in fact have stretched one out.
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The only cars that need a 1,200 mile service are M cars. (E9x M3 for sure, and I'm guessing the others too)

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The maintenance plan only covers oil changes @ 15k miles, 30k and 45K. Waiting for the first oil change @ 15k miles is a joke. I am just following Mike Miller's old school maintenance when back in the day all bmw's (including non M cars) needed 1200 break in service for engine, diff and tranny. Wondering if anyone has performed all of this already or as everyone already stated, am I wa$ting money?
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Just wasting money. New engine components are designed with the break in process in mind. Special coatings are used on wearable parts to eliminate the need for break in oils. You will also not want to be too easy or too hard on your new vehicle until the parts get used to being used.
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Oil change at 5k or 7.5k is the only interim maintenance you should bother with. Your just wasting money otherwise.
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So 30k mile intervals for transmission/diff/x-case or is that still overboard? BMW used to call these fluids lifetime fill, only to now claim to be replaced @ 100k. Even at 100k miles I would feel they would be long overdue. BMW automatics aren't known for durablility, hence my reasoning for frequent fluid changes before 100k mile mark as I would want to keep this vehicle beyond that marker.
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You've got a modern vehicle, there's no rational need to embark on an old school maintenance plan.
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You can get the oil change at 12 months even if you car says its not ready. My X1 has 5,400 miles and is actually telling me I have 7,000 miles left for a change.
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I have a 2013 X1 sDrive 28i now with 1450 miles and I just had the oil changed as normal precaution. My BMW shop advised no need to change the auto or diff fluid. BMW will only change oil at 15K miles but I will have oil changed at 5K intervals as I've done on all my cars. I try to follow "old school" maintenance as recommended by Mike Miller of Bimmer and Roundel mags.
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My previous M Coupe managed to get 143k trouble free miles with quite a few track miles before I sold it and only had the recommended oil changes done, which are based on fuel consumption, not fixed mileage presets. I never ran that car hard on cold oil and never had any issues with it, including a few clean Blackstone Labs reports.

You can revert to old school maintenance if you really don't like your money or suspect that BMW is really out to screw folks over, but it's been shown by many of our personal experiences that you don't need to. Whatever makes you comfortable, ultimately it's a small expense if you do decide to increase your service frequencies.
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My previous M Coupe managed to get 143k trouble free miles with quite a few track miles before I sold it and only had the recommended oil changes done, which are based on fuel consumption, not fixed mileage presets. I never ran that car hard on cold oil and never had any issues with it, including a few clean Blackstone Labs reports.

You can revert to old school maintenance if you really don't like your money or suspect that BMW is really out to screw folks over, but it's been shown by many of our personal experiences that you don't need to. Whatever makes you comfortable, ultimately it's a small expense if you do decide to increase your service frequencies.
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And thanks for the info, as it makes me feel more confident that BMW's recommended services are the way to go.
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Let me preface this by saying I consider myself very uneducated about the mechanics of a car and everything I know I learned from the Internets.

So on my research only, most engines made today have almost or no shavings or metal filings that was the reason to do a service after you've "dislodged" those shavings. BMW also does a dry run of the engines before oiling them which you could argue makes it even less likely. Having said that, I still am curious the reason M cars require a 1200 mile service... Personally when I get my X1 back after ED (about 2k miles) I think there's a good chance I may have the dealer do this since it's an easy procedure and I plan to keep the car 10+ years and the last 30-60 miles will have been on the 'ring.

As for transmission, rear diff, and front transfer, I could be wrong but I don't think the filings are as much of a concern? I haven't seen the internals of none engine parts yet to say for sure but I would think the engineering and sizes of the parts and precision of them vs potential filing sizes as compared to the engine components and their precision vs potential filing sizes would be much lower and in far less extreme situations (unless you're running tires with different tread depth for example or do a lot of driving when the wheels are slipping).

Also if you have seen the inside of a transmission (There's some great videos on Youtube of a guy named Jeff Richardson who tore down a ZF 5HP19 and goes over _everything_ and it's quite educational), there are plenty of non-critical places for shavings (if there were any) to get permanently lodged besides on the magnets of the pan, unlike an engine. That's also why many people say "change the oil but don't flush" on xmissions, you don't want to knock something free that would have stayed there for 1,000,000 miles. xmissions IMO are mostly luck and driving habit and not maintenance oriented for why they fail, unless there's a design flaw but the ZF 6HP has been fairly bullet proof and I can't see the 8HP being much different (though it has some extra and unique parts for ASS). Fluids do go bad over time and use but towards 30k+ miles and a couple years.

It would be nice though to have a thread for an X1's "minimum", "recommended", "aggressive" and "paranoid" service work intervals...
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I plan to do mine first engine oil change at 3-4K. Will do it myself with MOBIL 1 European Formula. Which is better than whatever BMW puts in US cars. In Germany they use German Castrol which is true synthetic. Not in US. Which is probably not good for the turbo in the long run.
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I'm confused - what impact could the engine oil have on the turbos?
Unless the microscopic amount of oil that gets combusted and makes it to the exhaust is enough to clog up the ceramic blades or something?
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I plan to do mine first engine oil change at 3-4K. Will do it myself with MOBIL 1 European Formula. Which is better than whatever BMW puts in US cars. In Germany they use German Castrol which is true synthetic. Not in US. Which is probably not good for the turbo in the long run.
I believe the OEM BMW oil is actually superior to the Mobil 1 European Formula. What evidence do you have that the US OEM Castrol is inferior?

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I'm confused - what impact could the engine oil have on the turbos?
Unless the microscopic amount of oil that gets combusted and makes it to the exhaust is enough to clog up the ceramic blades or something?
In most vehicles a single lubrication system runs through the engine and the turbo(s). I don't think our BMWs are any different.

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The following is quoted from Mark Miller's Lifetime Maintenance Schedule for BMW owners concerning the care of turbochargers.

"Lifetime turbocharger warm-up and cool-down procedures

Many of my readers who own BMWs powered by turbocharged engines ask how they can help the turbochargers last longer. They are concerned, and rightly so, with the cost of post-warranty ownership of the modern BMW and want to know how to approach it. If you want to keep the car past the warranty the best way to prolong turbocharger bearing life is to do two things:

First, use very high quality full synthetic oil in a viscosity that can withstand tremendous heat, and change it at an interval appropriate to the product, verified by oil analysis. Second, practice traditional turbocharger warm up and cool down procedures. This means allowing the engine oil to reach operating temperature before spooling up the turbos (keep the rpms low), and allowing the turbos to cool down before shutting off the engine by driving gently at low rpm for several miles before reaching the destination.

Now, anticipating your follow up question, "Why doesn't BMW recommend this?" Here is why:

Back in the olden days, every car manufacturer with a turbocharged engine (BMW, Ford, GM, Mercedes Benz, Porsche, SAAB, Renault, etc.) detailed this warm up and cool down procedure. But those cars were bought and driven exclusively by driving enthusiasts who knew their way around cars. Car buyers have changed and today’s oil is better, but engine oil lubricated turbocharger bearings have not changed. The nature of turbocharged cars has changed as well. Back then, only sports cars, executive limousines like BMW’s E23 745i, and diesel-powered sedans had turbochargers. People who owned those cars could be counted upon to have a certain degree of automotive knowledge. Nowadays, the family sedan has two turbos to go along with the automatic transmission and the baby seat. If BMW told today’s turbo car buyers they had to follow warm up and cool down procedures first off few would understand it, secondly few would do it, and third-wise a lot of them just wouldn't buy the car.

All that being said, every turbocharged engine shares one thing in common, which is that if it is in service long enough it will eventually need a new turbocharger -- two in the case of some BMW engines." Mark Miller

In simple terms, I take this to mean don't run the car hard right after you leave the garage and don't run it hard on the way back into the garage.
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I still am curious the reason M cars require a 1200 mile service...
If I'm not mistaken, I believe those M cars have a special break in oil, that needs to be removed so they can put in the regular stuff.
Not sure why the break in oil is different.
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I plan to do mine first engine oil change at 3-4K. Will do it myself with MOBIL 1 European Formula. Which is better than whatever BMW puts in US cars. In Germany they use German Castrol which is true synthetic. Not in US. Which is probably not good for the turbo in the long run.
I have a bottle of BMW Castrol 5w-30 that says full synthetic. I've heard plenty of reports that it's higher quality than Mobil 1, which has slowly lowered the quality if their base stock.
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I have a 2013 X1 sDrive 28i now with 1450 miles and I just had the oil changed as normal precaution. My BMW shop advised no need to change the auto or diff fluid. BMW will only change oil at 15K miles but I will have oil changed at 5K intervals as I've done on all my cars. I try to follow "old school" maintenance as recommended by Mike Miller of Bimmer and Roundel mags.
+1. I just dropped of my 35i @ my trusty indie with about the same mileage as yours for an oil change using the OEM filter and BMW 5w-30 factory filled oil. I think others on here are wrong about modern BMW engines not having metal shaving particles as I have read numerous online posts/Roundel tech talk articles of the importance of changing out the oil before 2k miles. I read somewhere that a n55 engine just quit @ only 600 miles due to extreme metal shavings down in the oil pan. Also a f10 535i (n55) had somewhat high metal deposits when the owner changed out his oil @ 1100 miles and a 335is owner changed out his oil @ 1900 miles with high metal deposits as well. I'll waste my money for this 'early pointless oil change' so I can sleep better tonight knowing that my break in oil is long gone. I plan on two (2) more oil changes before the dealer will change it @ 15k miles as I plan on keeping this car well past the warranty mark and beyond 100k miles. As for tranny/diff/xcase I may wait and change them out @ 30k mile intervals.
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