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      04-11-2013, 11:12 PM   #1
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Non-RFT summer tires

I'm looking for some non-RFT summer tires. Good traction, no "swimming", and low noise is important, comfort and wear rating is less important.
Do anyone have any experience with Yokohama tires? I'm thinking the Yokohama ADVAN Neova AD08 might fit the bill.
If not, the Pirelli non-RFT alternative is Zero Rosso, right?
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      04-12-2013, 12:03 AM   #2
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IMHO, the Michelin Pilot Super Sport is by far the best option available today.
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      04-12-2013, 03:51 AM   #3
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OP, your tire selection would 'fit the bill'. However, if you want the best of the best, go for the Michelin Super Sports as nospam mentioned or see if you can get PS2's as thats what I always used on my e39 M5.
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      04-12-2013, 07:07 AM   #4
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I've kind of disqualified the Michelin SSs due to the alleged swimming - both the soft sidewall and the flat of the tire deliberately shifting to stay flat contributes to sideways motion, if reviews are to be trusted. For most people, a little sideways motion doesn't matter, but even a little makes me seasick. Possibly because I drove an old Citroen which I hated with a passion.

I otherwise love Michelin, though - their LTX A/T2 tires are the best I've ever used offroad, even though I have to pick gravel, twigs and cig butts out of the tread. I guess a pattern that's good for grip is also good for picking up stuff.

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      04-12-2013, 07:19 AM   #5
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Another vote for the Michelin Pilot Super Sports here, it really is an excellent tire......sorry, was posting at the same time as you and didn't intially see your PSS comments above. An honourable mention to the Continental DW which I also found to be very good in both wet and dry conditions......they were a tad softer in the sidewall than the likes of the PSS though.

As for the Advans etc, I haven't run them myself but have spoken with a number of guys who ran them on Evo's and STi's for DD and auto-x duties. Relatively sticky tires for sure, but, as one might expect from a tire with a below 200 treadwear rating like the AD08 and like Dunlop Star-specs, not necessarily the quietest or best DD tire out there. (Yes, I know the treadwear can be a nonsense as it's manufacturer derived, but it's a reasonable rough gauge of a tire's area of expertise)
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      04-12-2013, 09:06 AM   #6
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Having owned PS2's, PSS's and a number of other high performance tires, your concerns about PSS's are unfounded. They are slightly softer in the sidewalls than PS2's, but it's a small difference and they're still much, much stiffer than P Zeros and even the AD-08, which is a comically bad rain tire, the exact opposite of the PSS.
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      04-12-2013, 10:14 AM   #7
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Thank you, folks - much appreciated
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      04-12-2013, 10:27 AM   #8
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One small caveat about PSS's, they are the greasiest, squirreliest tire I've ever owned for the first few hundred miles. When I first got them, replacing a set of heavily tracked PS2's, I thought I'd made a huge mistake. Traction control was on under even light power and they just felt horrible. But all of the cleared up after a short highway trip and getting some heat into them a few times and they were great.
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Someone clueless at the store soaked them in tire shine?
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      04-12-2013, 11:02 AM   #10
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Someone clueless at the store soaked them in tire shine?
Haha, I think they're just really greasy when new and need to be heat cycled a few times to really come together properly. I think Tire Rack still offers a heat cycling option, it would be interesting to try a pair that had been pre-cycled.
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      04-12-2013, 12:47 PM   #11
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Any reason the Bridgestone Potenza S-04 Pole Position or Bridgestone Potenza RE050A Pole Position aren't being commented on? They're #2 and #4 positions on TireRack. Conti's DW are #5.
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      04-12-2013, 12:56 PM   #12
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S04's are okay, about par with the older PS2 and a little behind the newer PSS. RE-050's were OEM as RFT's on our 135i and nothing special.
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I've never had good experiences with Bridgestone/Firestone. Several bad ones, though, including lack of grip, recalls, pressure loss, and heat buds. (They may be better now, but when I had my truck spinning on a flat lawn doing 2 mph it wasn't funny. I switched to Michelin and never looked back.)

The Conti EC DW get raving good reviews, but partly because of the low price, extreme durability and relatively low rolling resistance, and I'm not looking at economics here.
Nokian Z G2 also get very good reviews, but tire rack doesn't carry them.
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Since you mentioned the much more aggressive AD-08, which are not anything near quiet (at least not on an Exige), there are a number of tires with more dry grip than the PSS. Of course they'll sacrifice longevity, wet weather capability and noise, but you might want to consider the Dunlop Direzza Z2's, the Bridgestone RE-11 and the Toyo R1-R.
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      04-12-2013, 03:59 PM   #15
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I had Bridgestone RE and now have Dunlop Direzzas on my S2000. Extreme performance summer tires like these are a waste on an X1 IMO. They only last around 10k miles.

That is why I am such a big fan of of te Michelin PSS. You get a great amount of grip for a tire that can last 25-30k miles. I wish I could have moved them from my 335i to my X1.

http://e84.xbimmers.com/forums/showt...php?p=13323196
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I had Bridgestone RE and now have Dunlop Direzzas on my S2000. Extreme performance summer tires like these are a waste on an X1 IMO. They only last around 10k miles.
I was trying to be nice, but was thinking this too. I had the PSS on my M Coupe after mainly using more track oriented tires and they really don't give up much, last a lot longer and were significantly more comfortable and quieter. For an X1, the PSS do seem like a perfect fit.
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I'm about to order some replacement tires too (summer performance greater than V rating) I was looking at the Mich S.S. if I went non-run flat that was the tire I was getting. However I think I'm going to stay with a RF tire and get the ContConticontact 5 SSR. Tire rack just needs to straighten a few things out on their site before I order them.
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I'm about to order some replacement tires too (summer performance greater than V rating) I was looking at the Mich S.S. if I went non-run flat that was the tire I was getting. However I think I'm going to stay with a RF tire and get the ContConticontact 5 SSR. Tire rack just needs to straighten a few things out on their site before I order them.
I'm a little surprised that there isn't an available PSS RFT yet. I've heard good things about the PS2 RFT's. Since some folks have spoken highly of how the Pirelli P7 does on the M Sport, this certainly cleans its clock:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...t.jsp?ttid=158

I'm also curious about the Conti and how it stacks up.
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I'm also curious about the Conti and how it stacks up.
From what I've read from tests and anecdotes, they're excellent for braking and acceleration, and have great comfort and little noise. They have more rolling resistance and slightly less wet grip than Dunlop SB and Goodyear EGP, though - the two tires most similar.

Unless I can find the Nokian tires, I'm probably going to end up with the Michelins - according to reviews, they seem to be excellent for what I love the most: twisty hilly roads. And recommended by several people here, which counts too!
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I'm also curious about the Conti and how it stacks up.
Always heard good comments for the ContiContact tire. Hoping the run-flat is comparable.
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For those running staggered, I noticed that the Conti DW's are the same diameter for the stock front 225 and 255 rear which I didn't think anyone did.

Revs/Mile Diameter Tire
802/802 26"/26" Conti DW
803/799 25.9"/26" PS2
802/799 25.9"/26" PSS
803/801 25.9"/26" Potenza S-04 Pole

I picked the 4 most talked about tires to look up just for curiosity. I was planning on PSS but I wonder if those of us with xDrive should stick with something that has the same revolutions per mile so it doesn't wear out the diff early or cause traction issues. Too bad Conti doesn't have a tread warranty on the DW's (their other tires have tread warranty on fronts and half warranty value on rears).
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One small caveat about PSS's, they are the greasiest, squirreliest tire I've ever owned...
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