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      03-23-2015, 09:38 AM   #1
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e84 35i exhaust options...

I contacted Active Autowerke (My Tuner of choice for BMW applications) and currently only a tune is available for the N55 but no exhaust or down pipe products. I contacted AWE Tuning and currently only the 28i is being worked on.

Anyone on here able to recommend some options for the 35i?

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I contacted Active Autowerke (My Tuner of choice for BMW applications) and currently only a tune is available for the N55 but no exhaust or down pipe products. I contacted AWE Tuning and currently only the 28i is being worked on.

Anyone on here able to recommend some options for the 35i?

Thanks.
Any N55 downpipe fits the X1...so there are tons of options.

As for the rest of the exhaust, you're looking at custom. The cheapest route for a better tone is probably to buy, for example, an aftermarket axleback (or BMW performance exhaust) for a 135i, and cut the pipe section off your stock exhaust in order to mate with the new muffler.

In other words, the 135 and X1 exhaust are almost exactly the same, sans some of the bends being a bit off from the muffler to the first joint.

The majority of gains are in the tune on this engine though, at least vs. a downpipe. So perhaps try the tune first, you probably won't miss the 10-20 HP the DP will add.
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      03-23-2015, 02:12 PM   #3
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Thanks. I would like to improve the note and tone of the exhaust along with extracting a bit more life from the engine.
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You can cut the muffler, add a straight pipe and use BMW exhaust clamps to keep reliability, and see if you like the sound. If not, can always easily revert back.
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You guys have tons of options.
Hartge, Ac Schnitzer, etc.
We, with the 2.8 have trouble finding one.
Talked to Ac Schnitzer, with Hartge, they have for diesel and 3.5 models.
Damn.
I would have order it already but nothing for my baby.
Maybe i will go for the custome REMUS...
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You guys have tons of options.
Hartge, Ac Schnitzer, etc.
We, with the 2.8 have trouble finding one.
Talked to Ac Schnitzer, with Hartge, they have for diesel and 3.5 models.
Damn.
I would have order it already but nothing for my baby.
Maybe i will go for the custome REMUS...
Link to the Hartage N55 exhaust? Doesn't seen to exist...

I can't find the Ac Schnitzer either...
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Link to the Hartage N55 exhaust? Doesn't seen to exist...

I can't find the Ac Schnitzer either...
I have called AC Schnitzer two weeks ago to find out what I can get for my 2.8i

they have nothing except the chrome tail pipe.

When I asked about the exhaust system they have in the picture, they told me that the system they have is developed for the 3.5 twin turbo. I just tell you what he told me.
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I have called AC Schnitzer two weeks ago to find out what I can get for my 2.8i

they have nothing except the chrome tail pipe.

When I asked about the exhaust system they have in the picture, they told me that the system they have is developed for the 3.5 twin turbo. I just tell you what he told me.
I think that is a 335 exhaust in the picture...
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I think that is a 335 exhaust in the picture...
http://www.ac-schnitzer.de/en/bmw-ca...-2009/exhaust/
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I have called AC Schnitzer two weeks ago to find out what I can get for my 2.8i

they have nothing except the chrome tail pipe.

When I asked about the exhaust system they have in the picture, they told me that the system they have is developed for the 3.5 twin turbo. I just tell you what he told me.
Well, I hope they didn't tell you that. Because it's a 3.0l, single turbo.
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Well, I hope they didn't tell you that. Because it's a 3.0l, single turbo.
BMW has used the term "TwinPower Turbo" to describe both twin-turbo and (single turbocharger) twin-scroll systems. Nothing uncommon when talk to the people at AC Schnitzer or any other tuner.
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BMW has used the term "TwinPower Turbo" to describe both twin-turbo and (single turbocharger) twin-scroll systems. Nothing uncommon when talk to the people at AC Schnitzer or any other tuner.
BMW has never used "twinpower" to describe the N54.

They started using "twinpower" in late '10-'11 (edit: actually, '09 with the 5 series single snail engine), when they dropped the N54 as the standard '35 engine and started using the N55, likely as a marketing gimmick so they didn't have to explain to people why they went from a more expensive twin turbo engine to a cheaper single snail unit, without a drop in price. I currently have both an N54 and an N55. Guess which one has "twinpower" on the engine cover, sticker, manual, etc. and which one doesn't?

The only twin turbo engine BMWs describes as "twinpower" are the TT V12s.

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/bm...ned-50443.html

But anyway...what does twinpower have to do with anything?

You didn't say Schnitzer said "twinpower".

You said they said twin turbo. Describing an N55 as twin turbo is just plain wrong, and anyone who knows anything would never describe the X1 35 as a 3.5l twin turbo engine. And if they did, don't buy parts from them.

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Some folks even sued BMW over the use of "twinpower" for teh reasons described above.

They pulled the twin turbo motor out, called the new single turbo unit "twinpower"...

Pretty lame on their part, imho, and pretty clearly intended to mislead a portion of buyers.

http://gotaclassaction.com/bmw-named...-turbo-engine/
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BMW has never used "twinpower" to describe the N54.
"While its N54 predecessor uses parallel twin-turbochargers, the N55 uses a single twin scroll turbocharger.[6][7] BMW has used the term "TwinPower Turbo" to describe both twin-turbo and (single turbocharger) twin-scroll systems."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_N55

I presume that a guy that works for AC Schnitzer knows all the details too, I personally don't find it very important.

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Some folks even sued BMW over the use of "twinpower" for teh reasons described above.

They pulled the twin turbo motor out, called the new single turbo unit "twinpower"...

Pretty lame on their part, imho, and pretty clearly intended to mislead a portion of buyers.

http://gotaclassaction.com/bmw-named...-turbo-engine/
Your law system is just broken. Twin or not, what it does to do with the car? people in US sue just to sue and get money, no wonder your system is so corrupt legally.

"...because they were misled into purchasing or leasing Vehicles of a quality different than they were led to believe they were obtaining, and ultimately paying more for the Vehicles than they would have if the true nature of the “TwinPower Turbo” engine had been disclosed."

Yeah, right... What quality has to do with the one turbo or two turbo? Four turbos Kia Spectra is a better quality than one turbo BMW?
Man, I crack myself. very poor line from that lawyer...

Many buyers don't know what FWD is and suddenly we sue because we call it twin power. If the interested one will read the technical specs, it will find out that it doesn't have two turbo's. People are greedy and bad, there is no common sense in common law. Common law is a joke anyway, but that is a different story...

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Your law system is just broken.

I'd argue our American honor, but you have a point. OTOH, it seems as if your ignore the difference an exhaust system would need, in design, to work with a single, or double turbo system. Sorry 'bout the run-on, but, just sayin'.
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I'd argue our American honor, but you have a point. OTOH, it seems as if your ignore the difference an exhaust system would need, in design, to work with a single, or double turbo system. Sorry 'bout the run-on, but, just sayin'.
We can argue, but is non-constructive, I know both systems, let's not go there...
Honor has nothing to do with the subject...

"On the other hand" I do not ignore anything, I don't know what are you insinuating, however, you jumped to conclusions from a simple term that has nothing to do with what I know.
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We can argue, but is non-constructive, I know both systems, let's not go there...
Honor has nothing to do with the subject...

"On the other hand" I do not ignore anything, I don't know what are you insinuating, however, you jumped to conclusions from a simple term that has nothing to do with what I know.
Maybe English is a second language? No offense was intended.
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"While its N54 predecessor uses parallel twin-turbochargers, the N55 uses a single twin scroll turbocharger.[6][7] BMW has used the term "TwinPower Turbo" to describe both twin-turbo and (single turbocharger) twin-scroll systems."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_N55

I presume that a guy that works for AC Schnitzer knows all the details too, I personally don't find it very important.
Did you read my post? I already said that the "twinpower" name has been used on twin-turbo units. But only the V12s and never the predecessor N54. Read the link I posted.

And again none of that is relevant to your original post. "Twinpower" is irrelevant.

You said the guy on the phone said the "twin turbo" turbo engine. Which is again, 100% wrong. Twin turbo =/= "twinpower".

What are you attempting to argue?

The statement the guy made on the phone was indisputably wrong. It's a not a twin turbo engine. Period. End of discussion.

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Your law system is just broken. Twin or not, what it does to do with the car? people in US sue just to sue and get money, no wonder your system is so corrupt legally.

"...because they were misled into purchasing or leasing Vehicles of a quality different than they were led to believe they were obtaining, and ultimately paying more for the Vehicles than they would have if the true nature of the “TwinPower Turbo” engine had been disclosed."

Yeah, right... What quality has to do with the one turbo or two turbo? Four turbos Kia Spectra is a better quality than one turbo BMW?
Man, I crack myself. very poor line from that lawyer...
Sure, but just replace "quality" with content. They clearly did it as a way to not raise eyebrows after removing the N54, and replacing it with the cheaper N55.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's a silly suit as well.

But I can't say I'm fond of what BMW was attempting to accomplish: "Nothing to see here people, move along!"

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The N54 vs N55 cost thing is sort of a wash, since the N55 had the older M54 block and had the first gen Valvetronic.

I certainly prefer the power delivery of the N54, especially before the myriad software updates. But I'm not sure it was necessarily more expensive just because it had the extra turbo and (comically unreliable) Piezo injectors.
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The N54 vs N55 cost thing is sort of a wash, since the N55 had the older M54 block and had the first gen Valvetronic.

I certainly prefer the power delivery of the N54, especially before the myriad software updates. But I'm not sure it was necessarily more expensive just because it had the extra turbo and (comically unreliable) Piezo injectors.
The N54 also had a forged crank and rods. It's a more expensive engine from most people's account.

A re-manufactured "short engine" is $11.3k for the N54 and $9.X for the N55...at least from what I'm seeing now.

http://parts.bmwofsouthatlanta.com/p...000415278.html

http://parts.bmwofsouthatlanta.com/p...002249016.html
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