XBimmers X1   XBimmers X1
  XBimmers X1

Go Back   XBimmers | BMW X1 Forum > BMW X1 Forums > General BMW X1 (E84) Forum

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      08-22-2014, 01:11 AM   #1
popopine
Private
 
Drives: Black X1 X-line
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: North East US

Posts: 77
iTrader: (0)

Dinan? N20 Engine? Ever?







popopine is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      08-22-2014, 01:14 AM   #2
Twix
Captain
 
Twix's Avatar
 
Drives: '14 X1 28i Sportline
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada

Posts: 692
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2014 BMW X1  [0.00]
No.
__________________
2014-X1-28i-Sportline-Black Sapphire-Black Dakota-AC Schnitzer springs-Work Brombacher 19x8.5f 19x10r-aFe intake-BMS JB4
2012 Subrosa Malum dirt/custom
Twix is offline   Canada
0
Reply With Quote
      08-22-2014, 01:17 AM   #3
popopine
Private
 
Drives: Black X1 X-line
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: North East US

Posts: 77
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Twix View Post
No.
popopine is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      08-22-2014, 01:56 PM   #4
zeevette
Unllicensed
 
zeevette's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 X1 35i
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Pasco, WA. USA

Posts: 56
iTrader: (0)

Dinan stuff seems awful pricey. Is Dinan THAT much better than BMS? Should you get a ECU tuner, or a piggyback system?
zeevette is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      08-22-2014, 03:45 PM   #5
Twix
Captain
 
Twix's Avatar
 
Drives: '14 X1 28i Sportline
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada

Posts: 692
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2014 BMW X1  [0.00]
The thing with Dinan is, warranty. They also don't have stuff you have to plug in. You bring your car to the dealer and they upload the software into the ECU. It's painless and reliable power.

Granted, Dinan will give you less power than JB4.
__________________
2014-X1-28i-Sportline-Black Sapphire-Black Dakota-AC Schnitzer springs-Work Brombacher 19x8.5f 19x10r-aFe intake-BMS JB4
2012 Subrosa Malum dirt/custom
Twix is offline   Canada
0
Reply With Quote
      08-22-2014, 08:41 PM   #6
BlackJackel
Private
 
Drives: Black X1 35i, Dinan stage 2
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Centennial, CO

Posts: 74
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by zeevette View Post
Dinan stuff seems awful pricey. Is Dinan THAT much better than BMS? Should you get a ECU tuner, or a piggyback system?
I just had my transfer case go out. My purchased new 2013 was only a year old with 11,000 miles. Ralph Schomp BMW gave me a loaner car, apologized for the delay, and a week later I had a completely new transfer case. Total cost to me: $0

So, yes, it is worth it.
BlackJackel is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      08-23-2014, 04:35 PM   #7
zeevette
Unllicensed
 
zeevette's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 X1 35i
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Pasco, WA. USA

Posts: 56
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackJackel View Post
I just had my transfer case go out. My purchased new 2013 was only a year old with 11,000 miles. Ralph Schomp BMW gave me a loaner car, apologized for the delay, and a week later I had a completely new transfer case. Total cost to me: $0

So, yes, it is worth it.
What does your transfer case have to do with engine tuning? By federal law,(US) your car must be repaired, within warranty limits, anything that breaks, that affects emissions, and any modification that doesn't affect the actual part that breaks will not cancel the warranty. Now, individual dealerships may vary a great deal. They may choose to attempt to deny coverage, but this' true of many dealerships.
zeevette is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      08-23-2014, 05:47 PM   #8
Red Bread
Brigadier General
 
Drives: My wife's car
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Dallas, TX

Posts: 4,243
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
If adding a JB4 and the additional extra power can be shown to be partially responsible for hurting the drivetrain, it's not as innocent as you make it sound and isn't explicitly covered by Magussen Moss. BMW has become pretty clear about (accurately or not) stating the max torque capabilities of their transmissions as being pretty close to the stock limits, which puts most tunes well outside of spec, potentially allowing BMW to deny transmission issues on clearly tuned cars. Again, since Dinan covers these things, it's why some people go that route. It's all a matter of risk, neither choice is right or wrong.
Red Bread is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      08-24-2014, 10:03 AM   #9
x1-2012
New Member
 
x1-2012's Avatar
 
Drives: BMW X1 x28i
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Canada

Posts: 25
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by popopine View Post







I am also looking for the Dinan stage 1 mostly because of the warranty.
I gave a try on June 9th to the local Dinan rep and he answered me that no stage 1 is planned... I hope by the high number of X1 sales in USA and CAN, that Dinan stops sitting on their two hands and produce the freaking stage 1!
x1-2012 is offline   Canada
0
Reply With Quote
      08-24-2014, 12:08 PM   #10
Twix
Captain
 
Twix's Avatar
 
Drives: '14 X1 28i Sportline
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada

Posts: 692
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2014 BMW X1  [0.00]
Steve has already said via podcasts and etc that no software will be made available for any N20 engine. This include the huge number of sales of X1s and F3x chassis 328s.

His reason: There is no point on upgrading the N20 to the power levels of the N54/55 when that engine is already available in those cars. There's too few people who want to upgrade power on the N20, mostly because they've bought that engine for it's fuel economy and not big power numbers.

Not his exact words, but that sums up what he said pretty accurately. And in ways I agree. The amount of money it would cost him to R&D tunes for N20 engines would be greater than the money incoming from sales of the product. It may seem like there is a lot of interest for a Dinan tune for N20 engines, but in the grand scheme of things, we the people on these forums makes up for a very tiny percentage of N20 ownership.
__________________
2014-X1-28i-Sportline-Black Sapphire-Black Dakota-AC Schnitzer springs-Work Brombacher 19x8.5f 19x10r-aFe intake-BMS JB4
2012 Subrosa Malum dirt/custom
Twix is offline   Canada
0
Reply With Quote
      08-25-2014, 01:53 AM   #11
asng
New Member
 
Drives:
Join Date: Oct 2007

Posts: 17
iTrader: (0)

hmmm.... the same could be said about upgrading the N54/55 to the power level of S55 when m3/m4 is already available... anyway...
asng is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      08-25-2014, 06:21 PM   #12
NorCal Einstein
New Member
 
Drives: X1 35i MSport
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: California

Posts: 17
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by asng View Post
hmmm.... the same could be said about upgrading the N54/55 to the power level of S55 when m3/m4 is already available... anyway...
Not really...

You can buy a X1 with N55 or N20. You can't buy a X1 with S55.
NorCal Einstein is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      08-26-2014, 03:29 AM   #13
Mr Kleen
teh porcupine
 
Mr Kleen's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 135i "Nina"
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Wiesbaden

Posts: 1,582
iTrader: (1)

Garage List
2012 BMW 135i  [2.75]
2013 BMW X1  [0.00]
I don't think that was his point.
__________________
Mr Kleen is offline   Germany
0
Reply With Quote
      08-26-2014, 11:30 AM   #14
zeevette
Unllicensed
 
zeevette's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 X1 35i
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Pasco, WA. USA

Posts: 56
iTrader: (0)

Dinan's going to do what's best for BMW. They have an exclusive arrangement, and that translates to profits.
zeevette is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      08-26-2014, 02:32 PM   #15
BlackJackel
Private
 
Drives: Black X1 35i, Dinan stage 2
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Centennial, CO

Posts: 74
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Bread View Post
If adding a JB4 and the additional extra power can be shown to be partially responsible for hurting the drivetrain, it's not as innocent as you make it sound and isn't explicitly covered by Magussen Moss. BMW has become pretty clear about (accurately or not) stating the max torque capabilities of their transmissions as being pretty close to the stock limits, which puts most tunes well outside of spec, potentially allowing BMW to deny transmission issues on clearly tuned cars. Again, since Dinan covers these things, it's why some people go that route. It's all a matter of risk, neither choice is right or wrong.
Exactly. If it weren't a warranty issue, I would do many (or all) of Paradoxical's mods and have well over 400 hp.
That said, the Dinan alone puts out 400 torque. So, yes, I could very well have had to pay that repair if it was JB4, etc, putting out even more torque.

Best part is I don't HAVE to wonder or worry about it

To the OP: unfortunately, a lot of times they don't make tunes for the smaller engine because they figure that if someone is looking for power they will start with the more powerful engine.
I wish that weren't true, but it seems to be the case. I hope they do for the N20, it is a good engine.
BlackJackel is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      08-27-2014, 01:13 PM   #16
atomic
Private First Class
 
Drives: BMW X1 Midnight Blue
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Baltimore, MD. USA

Posts: 123
iTrader: (0)

If you want the more power just trade in your car for the bigger engine and you will have more power and a warranty. If it were 500 dollars it might make sense for someone to buy a dinan upgrade for the 28 but at 2k the number of people willing to buy it is probably a handful at most.
atomic is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      08-27-2014, 05:22 PM   #17
zeevette
Unllicensed
 
zeevette's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 X1 35i
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Pasco, WA. USA

Posts: 56
iTrader: (0)

Ah, delicious irony; I found out that there's an authorized Dinan dealer 2 blocks away from me.
zeevette is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      08-28-2014, 01:22 AM   #18
jaeezzy
Private
 
jaeezzy's Avatar
 
Drives: BMW X1 sDrive18d M Sport
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Australia

Posts: 68
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by NorCal Einstein View Post
Not really...

You can buy a X1 with N55 or N20. You can't buy a X1 with S55.
What about for sdrive models coz they don't have N55 on them and some of those countries (Australia) where 35i variant for X1 isn't available at all? I'm just asking I opted for sdrive18d due to my licence restrictions and I didn't want to go AWD but now it'd be great if I could tune ECU for extra power without worrying about warranty
__________________
...

jaeezzy...
jaeezzy is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      08-28-2014, 07:31 AM   #19
Twix
Captain
 
Twix's Avatar
 
Drives: '14 X1 28i Sportline
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada

Posts: 692
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2014 BMW X1  [0.00]
AC Schnitzer makes tunes for diesels. They also warranty their stuff.
__________________
2014-X1-28i-Sportline-Black Sapphire-Black Dakota-AC Schnitzer springs-Work Brombacher 19x8.5f 19x10r-aFe intake-BMS JB4
2012 Subrosa Malum dirt/custom
Twix is offline   Canada
0
Reply With Quote
      08-29-2014, 04:21 PM   #20
cwickberg
Private First Class
 
Drives: X1 35i MSport Ultimate
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: United States

Posts: 112
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Twix View Post
AC Schnitzer makes tunes for diesels. They also warranty their stuff.
Regarding the "warranty" it's my understanding that the warranty is not thru BMW, but rather thru Dinan and that Dinan has to do all the work...
Has anyone every needed to access warranty repairs thru Dinan?
cwickberg is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      08-29-2014, 07:11 PM   #21
GTony
Private
 
Drives: BMW 2011.5 X1 Sdrive 20d
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Queensland AUSTRALIA

Posts: 92
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by jaeezzy View Post
What about for sdrive models coz they don't have N55 on them and some of those countries (Australia) where 35i variant for X1 isn't available at all? I'm just asking I opted for sdrive18d due to my licence restrictions and I didn't want to go AWD but now it'd be great if I could tune ECU for extra power without worrying about warranty
Sorry others, not N20 related.
In Aust. you could ask BMW if they install DINAN with Warranty. Good luck there.
HARTAGE recommend tdi-tuning.co.uk for Diesels, which is the one I'm currently interested in. The Chip for yours gives you more power than the
20d and the 20d is plenty of power for Aust. conditions.
It all gets back to Warranty and it's many opinions and comments on Chips, like easy to put on and take off before servicing. They wont know etc. While you can get Product Warranty. With BMW it's your decision to decide/work out to do.
If you want to comment/discuss more about your situation I suggest starting another thread including other Diesel matters I would be happy to reply to.
GTony is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      08-29-2014, 07:37 PM   #22
Twix
Captain
 
Twix's Avatar
 
Drives: '14 X1 28i Sportline
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada

Posts: 692
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2014 BMW X1  [0.00]
Dinan is AT your dealer. No need to send your car to california. The dealer will do the work and Dinan flips the bill.
__________________
2014-X1-28i-Sportline-Black Sapphire-Black Dakota-AC Schnitzer springs-Work Brombacher 19x8.5f 19x10r-aFe intake-BMS JB4
2012 Subrosa Malum dirt/custom
Twix is offline   Canada
0
Reply With Quote
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:25 PM.




xbimmers
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST