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      02-28-2013, 09:23 AM   #1
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US buyers - M135i 5 door instead?

Mostly for the 35i buyers, but open to any who bought an X1, if the 5 door M135 (or any F20) were available in the US, would you have still bought the X1? The M135i is available with a manual or the 8s auto and in both sDrive and xDrive.

It's about five inches shorter, nearly all of that coming out of storage behind the seats, with only about half of the space behind the seats. It's five inches lower to the ground and can be as much as 550 pounds lighter than an X1 35i. It's about an inch narrower in the inside, but has roughly the same seating space front and rear.

We bought the X1 because we were tired of the limitations of our two door 135i, might need kid space and felt the F31 was too large. But the M135i would have been more appealing to us, curious if others feel the same way.

Interestingly I have no interest in the M235i coupe or convertible coming as they're too close to the car we sold for the X1.
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      02-28-2013, 09:46 AM   #2
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Mostly for the 35i buyers, but open to any who bought an X1, if the 5 door M135 (or any F20) were available in the US, would you have still bought the X1?
Yes, for multiple reasons:
1: The higher ground clearance and seating of the X1.
2: A 20:80 instead of 40:60 front:rear ratio for the M-sport model X1.
3: Higher loading capacity in both volume and weight.
4: Hydraulic steering.

Now, if an X1 M had been made, we would have been talking...
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Mostly for the 35i buyers, but open to any who bought an X1, if the 5 door M135 (or any F20) were available in the US, would you have still bought the X1? The M135i is available with a manual or the 8s auto and in both sDrive and xDrive.

It's about five inches shorter, nearly all of that coming out of storage behind the seats, with only about half of the space behind the seats. It's five inches lower to the ground and can be as much as 550 pounds lighter than an X1 35i. It's about an inch narrower in the inside, but has roughly the same seating space front and rear.
Would have considered it for sure, but probably wouldn't buy it. Too low.
Xdrive, cool, it has that. But the roads up here can get nasty.
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      02-28-2013, 10:15 AM   #4
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Yes, for multiple reasons:
2: A 20:80 instead of 40:60 front:rear ratio for the M-sport model X1.
I still don't believe this is true. I think there is marketing speak that it can transfer that much power, but I don't believe it's a fixed ratio. I also find it very hard to believe that a car with much higher sporting target like the M135i wouldn't have the same split if it were true, not to mention the X5M and X6M.

The smaller rear space of the M135i would have been a tough pill to swallow, the X1 is about perfect size wise for us, the smaller 1er would have probably been too much of a compromise, but the lighter weight, rwd and sportier nature would have been very hard to overcome.

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The X1 was dangerously close to being too small for us - my wife and two young boys. I wouldn't consider anything even a tiny bit smaller.
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      02-28-2013, 11:43 AM   #6
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Tough call. It would have definitely been on the short list for me. Probably would have depended on how much less cargo space there was. We didn't really need a SUV/SAV/whatever, just wanted more cargo space than my 135i, and I love my 135i.

M135i xdrive might have been just the ticket. Oh well, I guess I'll never know. Thanks for denying me the opportunity, BMW.
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The X1 was dangerously close to being too small for us - my wife and two young boys. I wouldn't consider anything even a tiny bit smaller.
I just came here to say what an awesome username.
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      02-28-2013, 02:44 PM   #9
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I still don't believe this is true. I think there is marketing speak that it can transfer that much power, but I don't believe it's a fixed ratio.
It's not a fixed ratio on either - I believe what BMW said is that it's the default ratio for each of the two cars.

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I also find it very hard to believe that a car with much higher sporting target like the M135i wouldn't have the same split if it were true
It's a much lighter car, and doesn't need as much rear power before it oversteers, I presume?

As for the X5M, you can't even take it to a track day, as it's too tall and heavy to be allowed on most tracks. I may gain a few enemies here by saying it, but I believe the main justification for it is the "look at me" effect, i.e. it isn't bought to be driven hard but to one-over the Joneses in their Merc.
With the X6M, you may have a point, but I don't know how slide happy that one is.
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Not enough room, might have considered it if in the market for a smaller car (and also if I liked the appearance, which is not a sure thing..)
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I would have been really interested in the M135 with the manual if the rear was big enough to throw a 54cm bike into. It doesn't sound like it would fit though. No problem putting the bike into the X1. Guess life is full of those tradeoffs.
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I would have been really interested in the M135 with the manual if the rear was big enough to throw a 54cm bike into. It doesn't sound like it would fit though. No problem putting the bike into the X1. Guess life is full of those tradeoffs.
I could fit my 59cm road bike in our 135i. The overall dimensions of the F20 and E82 aren't that different.
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i would have gotten the 135i M in a heartbeat over the X1 only *if*
1) the rear seat legroom/shoulder room was comparable to a vw golf and
2) the front end looks much better in person than it does in pictures

personally, im waiting for the 2 or 4 series gran coupe
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I would like to replace our 128i with a 2 series Gran Coupe.

I would not have chosen the 5-door over the X1.
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to me the two cars would be different enough that i wouldn't be cross shopping them
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to me the two cars would be different enough that i wouldn't be cross shopping them
Not everyone decide the car type before cross-shopping. A long time ago, a friend of mine had the hardest time deciding between a Suzuki Swift and an Opel Ascona 400.

And I myself ended up choosing between the X1 and X5, and ended up on the X1 because it was more fun to drive.
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I'm in London right now and the F20 is much less scary looking in person than in pictures. Dark colors in particular look pretty good.
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I still would of bought the X1... We already have a 2012 135i M Sport. Don't need 2 of them. I like how the X1 sits higher. easier to get in and out of. (I'm 6'3) The X1 was the right choice for me.
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I think the X1 is perfect for me, but I understand that others have different needs and that's why BMW makes a good variety of vehicles so we all can be happy.
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I think the X1 is perfect for me, but I understand that others have different needs and that's why BMW makes a good variety of vehicles so we all can be happy.
Um, no, I hate to break it to you, but they make a good variety of vehicles to maximize profits. You being happy is purely incidental.
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