Considering a CPO 2014 X1--Buying Advice

[dpw325]

Hi all,

I'm a long time e36 and e39 owner...in all I've had 9 BMWs over the years from several e28s, e34s, and my current daily, a 1997 M3. I love the brand, but I need a small crossover, drove an X1 over the weekend and can't see myself having anything but an e84 to supplement my M3.

I've found a 2014 Sdrive 28i Sport Line, 50k miles, asking price is $17k with a 1 year CPO warranty.

My concern is the attached service history...do I read this correctly that the first oil change didn't happen until 25k? If so, would you consider this a deal breaker, even with the warranty?

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Thanks in advance!

[Turbod]

Unless you're really pick about options and this is specd the way you want I would skip it. Personally I would only consider the 35i.

[falconey]

Not a bad price with the warranty, but check out the 35i. Tuned the 35i is a very nice and powerful commuter.

[SharpAndCunning]

Originally Posted by falconey

Not a bad price with the warranty, but check out the 35i. Tuned the 35i is a very nice and powerful commuter.

The tuned 35i isn't a great commuter car. Tuned 35i's aren't great on gas, hell, stock x1 35i's aren't great on gas. If I was driving more than 25 miles each way a day, I don't think I'd have bought the 35i.

[PrematureApex]

Wouldn't stop me from buying the car.

[Busta Rib]

I agree, before your spring on a 28i, test drive the 35i. It is a beast and blast to drive, MPG be damned! If you commute 50 miles a day, over the course of a year, it will only cost less than $300/year more to drive the 35i vs the 28i (assuming 12,500 miles/year and $3.50/gallon in gas). The fun and power of the 35i is totally worth it!

But to answer your original question, I would pass on the car. There are a lot of candidates out there and every day, prices on these X1s continue to drop due to depreciation. If you can afford to be patient, you will find your ideal car. Definitely recommend getting the M Sport package as well. Good luck.

[mcdanielvzw]

Originally Posted by jpc647

The tuned 35i isn't a great commuter car. Tuned 35i's aren't great on gas, hell, stock x1 35i's aren't great on gas. If I was driving more than 25 miles each way a day, I don't think I'd have bought the 35i.

What? I get 23/24 MPG average with daily highway trips, and I don't have a light foot. Straight road tripping it, I can get 25-27. Compare that to any other car with similar power, and it's downright awesome.

Maybe my definition of good MPG is different than yours, but my 4 cyl Mazda 6 never got over 25 once it got a little older and ethanol was mixed in with fuel years ago.

[Lucky13]

Originally Posted by dpw325

Hi all,

I'm a long time e36 and e39 owner...in all I've had 9 BMWs over the years from several e28s, e34s, and my current daily, a 1997 M3. I love the brand, but I need a small crossover, drove an X1 over the weekend and can't see myself having anything but an e84 to supplement my M3.

I've found a 2014 Sdrive 28i Sport Line, 50k miles, asking price is $17k with a 1 year CPO warranty.

My concern is the attached service history...do I read this correctly that the first oil change didn't happen until 25k? If so, would you consider this a deal breaker, even with the warranty?

View post on imgur.com

Thanks in advance!

Don’t know what imgur is and have never heard of it, you might consider a carfax report to see if its missing information. I would be worried with a first oil change at 25K. I have a sdrive X1 28 M Sport and its great, plenty of power and a M235 with the N55 but honestly the N20 is great.

[mcdanielvzw]

Originally Posted by Lucky13

Don’t know what imgur is and have never heard of it, you might consider a carfax report to see if its missing information. I would be worried with a first oil change at 25K. I have a sdrive X1 28 M Sport and its great, plenty of power and a M235 with the N55 but honestly the N20 is great.

imgur is just an image hosting service. Nothing to do with history, just so he could post.

[SharpAndCunning]

Originally Posted by mcdanielvzw

What? I get 23/24 MPG average with daily highway trips, and I don't have a light foot. Straight road tripping it, I can get 25-27. Compare that to any other car with similar power, and it's downright awesome.

Maybe my definition of good MPG is different than yours, but my 4 cyl Mazda 6 never got over 25 once it got a little older and ethanol was mixed in with fuel years ago.

I average about 22mpg with daily driving. I commute about 40 miles a day. I romp on it occasionally to beat a yellow light, and it's cold so I do let it warm up in the morning/when I leave work for 2 or 3 minutes.

Any other car with similar power? Hmm. A new corvette will get almost 30mpg on the highway. a Genesis Coupe with 348hp N.A. will get 30mpg on the highway. Both cars, sure. Both not AWD, sure. But you didn't specify AWD.

I didn't buy the 35i to save on fuel. I'm just saying, if I had to commute longer distances, I might not use it. $130 oil changes, $150 brake flushes every two years, and 22mpg, doesn't sound like most peoples ideal commuter car. Between the maintenance and the fuel, is it worth it? Ehh... It's a quickish little car, sure. But factory tuned, it's nothing to write home about, especially with the 6 speed slush box transmission.

[mcdanielvzw]

I posted in another thread, I'm thinking about another car to drive to/from work at least half the time because I do drive so far (35 miles each way). It puts a lot of miles on my X1, and I want it to last a long time. Miata, Mini, or Z4 would be nice. I would much prefer a manual gearbox, but such is life.

Maintenance costs do add up pretty quickly. If you don't do it yourself, I guess an oil change would cost that much. My first oil change I did on my own was $80, and future ones I anticipate $20-35. I haven't done the other services, but it definitely adds up if you want to do all the maintenance (plugs, brake / diff / transfer case fluid). I expect the first time I do those to be the most expensive also, with future costs being lower.

I'm not saying you are wrong on real world MPG, but the ratings by the manufacturer or EPA are spot on with the 35i.
A genesis coupe, rated 18/27
https://www.caranddriver.com/hyundai/genesis-coupe

Base 1lt Stingray, rated 16/25
http://www.chevrolet.com/byo-vc/clie...tyleOne=391047

[SharpAndCunning]

Originally Posted by mcdanielvzw

I posted in another thread, I'm thinking about another car to drive to/from work at least half the time because I do drive so far (35 miles each way). It puts a lot of miles on my X1, and I want it to last a long time. Miata, Mini, or Z4 would be nice. I would much prefer a manual gearbox, but such is life.

Maintenance costs do add up pretty quickly. If you don't do it yourself, I guess an oil change would cost that much. My first oil change I did on my own was $80, and future ones I anticipate $20-35. I haven't done the other services, but it definitely adds up if you want to do all the maintenance (plugs, brake / diff / transfer case fluid). I expect the first time I do those to be the most expensive also, with future costs being lower.

I'm not saying you are wrong on real world MPG, but the ratings by the manufacturer or EPA are spot on with the 35i.
A genesis coupe, rated 18/27
https://www.caranddriver.com/hyundai/genesis-coupe

Base 1lt Stingray, rated 16/25
http://www.chevrolet.com/byo-vc/clie...tyleOne=391047

How do you plan on doing an oil change for $30? I can't even get the oil for that. Did you buy a 55 gallon drum or something? Please let me in on this little secret.

Do you have a 35i? Besides saving miles, a z4 isn't going to be much cheaper to run compared to the x1.

I had a genesis coupe for 4 years, and I regularly got over 30mpg on the highway, at 75mph, with the AC on. Mine was a Gen 1, and didn't has GDI, but it had been reflashed, and full bolt ons. Maybe my x1 is inherently worse on fuel for some reason, but I seem to average pretty close to the rating. I feel like it doesn't coast well, but many people here say that's normal. Apples to oranges, but my point was the performance and mpg are not record breaking, or even high on the expectation chart. A stock x1 35i is not THAT fast.

Sure, one is AWD and the other isn't, and while it's a decent system, transfer cases would probably last longer if it was real time vs always on. Having a car that would coast better would easily pick up a couple MPG's.


I don't know about Florida, as I've only been there twice, but as I get further away from New England MPG's always go up. Maybe the roads are flatter, I don't know. But I've found on every road trip I've taken, and even when I went across country a few years back in a 1972 Cutlass 442, once I got passed PA, MPG went up noticeably.

I've had a couple of 4cyl, and they've always been close to 30 mpg. A Ford Escape 2.0T, while slower than an X1 out of the box, will in fact get 30mpg on the highway, and the flash community for the ECO boost and cheaper to get into and the gains are big. The 2.0t is a very strong reliable engine. Not that the BMW 3.0 isn't, but you're paying a lot for it.

I'm not saying the X1 isn't a good car. It is. It's Fine. It's performance and MPG are just not what I would classify as AWESOME. Not when you factor everything in, the outrageous maintenance costs, the lack of technology available, etc. I personally don't think the x1 35i performance justifies the maintenance cost premium.

I bought the X1 because I wanted the 3.0. But I wasn't overly concerned about commuting cost. But if the OP is, evenly remotely, I think it's worth mentioning.

[falconey]

Originally Posted by jpc647

The tuned 35i isn't a great commuter car. Tuned 35i's aren't great on gas, hell, stock x1 35i's aren't great on gas. If I was driving more than 25 miles each way a day, I don't think I'd have bought the 35i.

I love commuting in my tuned 35i. So quick and can be tamed with ease as well. Not the best on gas mileage, but I don't consider pumping gas commuting so that was not a part of my "commuter car" equation, lol.

[SharpAndCunning]

Originally Posted by falconey

I love commuting in my tuned 35i. So quick and can be tamed with ease as well. Not the best on gas mileage, but I don't consider pumping gas commuting so that was not a part of my "commuter car" equation, lol.

What tune are you running? Any other supporting mods?


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I'm not saying the 35i isn't decent. And sure, it's makes a commute better for a gear head. But on that note, so would a Macan S, or a Ferarri, or Porche 911 Turbo S. But if the OP is looking for a commuter car, and a budget for commuting costs is in his mind, the 35i might not be the best choice, that's all I'm trying to say.

The OP didn't mention commuting, you did, in the second post. I'm just trying to show this is on the expensive side for a commuter car. Sure the gas is more, both in volume use and price, but add in the maintenance, and cost of ownership, I'm not sure this is the right car for commuting for 99% of people. If you don't factor in gas as part of commuting, then you must make more money than you know what to do with. haha I spend $200 a month in fuel just to go back and forth to work, not considering all my other running around. Now that's not a lot, I get it. But if someone was commuting 60 miles a day, or 75, that number could double, and then the 35i may not be a good choice for commuting.

[mcdanielvzw]

Originally Posted by jpc647

How do you plan on doing an oil change for $30? I can't even get the oil for that. Did you buy a 55 gallon drum or something? Please let me in on this little secret.

Do you have a 35i? Besides saving miles, a z4 isn't going to be much cheaper to run compared to the x1.

Yes, I have a 35i with most bolt ons and tune (JB4, DP, CP). I know a wouldn't be much cheaper but I care more about mileage than maintenance costs

End hijack but worth mentioning:
FCPEuro advertises/advocates their lifetime warranty on *all* products, including oil. They even show how you can send your oil back for free replacement (minus return shipping obviously) under the lifetime warranty on their website, many youtubers have said they do this even.

[falconey]

Originally Posted by jpc647

What tune are you running? Any other supporting mods?


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I'm not saying the 35i isn't decent. And sure, it's makes a commute better for a gear head. But on that note, so would a Macan S, or a Ferarri, or Porche 911 Turbo S. But if the OP is looking for a commuter car, and a budget for commuting costs is in his mind, the 35i might not be the best choice, that's all I'm trying to say.

The OP didn't mention commuting, you did, in the second post. I'm just trying to show this is on the expensive side for a commuter car. Sure the gas is more, both in volume use and price, but add in the maintenance, and cost of ownership, I'm not sure this is the right car for commuting for 99% of people. If you don't factor in gas as part of commuting, then you must make more money than you know what to do with. haha I spend $200 a month in fuel just to go back and forth to work, not considering all my other running around. Now that's not a lot, I get it. But if someone was commuting 60 miles a day, or 75, that number could double, and then the 35i may not be a good choice for commuting.

I just through on a jb4 and it really let's the car stretch it's legs. I have an e90 which is pretty much bolt on sans a charge pipe so no need to go all out. /end hijack

I think you are getting a little too serious and complex my friend. The OP is on an X1 forum asking about buying an X1. I gave him my opinion regarding an X1. The 35i may not be for the OP, but I'd be remiss if I didn't mention the 35i to someone asking opinions about an X1.

As for costs and budget those are great thoughts for the OP to consider, but I'm guessing the cost of ownership of a 35i vs 28i isn't going to be too substantial.

[SharpAndCunning]

Originally Posted by falconey

I just through on a jb4 and it really let's the car stretch it's legs. I have an e90 which is pretty much bolt on sans a charge pipe so no need to go all out. /end hijack

I think you are getting a little too serious and complex my friend. The OP is on an X1 forum asking about buying an X1. I gave him my opinion regarding an X1. The 35i may not be for the OP, but I'd be remiss if I didn't mention the 35i to someone asking opinions about an X1.

As for costs and budget those are great thoughts for the OP to consider, but I'm guessing the cost of ownership of a 35i vs 28i isn't going to be too substantial.

No upgraded charge pipe with the JB4? How long has it been on? Don't the factory ones crack under stock boost levels? No issues yet? How long has it been on? I'm torn if I should jump on a JB4 or not.

Not trying to be serious, but you certainly got me on the complex. You're probably right, the difference in price between the 28i and the 35i in regards to commuting isn't going to be substantial. `$25 per oil changes, and a few $$ here and there additionally to brakes etc. It's not really worth considering, given the difference between the 28i and the 35i.

And the OP probably isn't overly worried about commuting costs, if looking at a x128i either.

[falconey]

Originally Posted by jpc647

No upgraded charge pipe with the JB4? How long has it been on? Don't the factory ones crack under stock boost levels? No issues yet? How long has it been on? I'm torn if I should jump on a JB4 or not.

Not trying to be serious, but you certainly got me on the complex. You're probably right, the difference in price between the 28i and the 35i in regards to commuting isn't going to be substantial. `$25 per oil changes, and a few $$ here and there additionally to brakes etc. It's not really worth considering, given the difference between the 28i and the 35i.

And the OP probably isn't overly worried about commuting costs, if looking at a x128i either.

I've had the jb4 on my e90 for about 4 years, lol. The entire time I've procrastinated about buying and installing a charge pipe. I've been lucky, i guess (knock on wood).

What are your hang ups about the jb4? I think it's a great add on even if you aren't trying to get the most power. Great for logging, can read and clear BMW specific codes, plus the torque it adds can help with utility as well. I've been thinking of buying/installing a tow hitch and having that extra torque when hauling a trailer will certainly come in handy if I go that route.

[dpw325]

Thanks all! Really appreciate the responses. Don't hate me, but I don't commute, maybe the only benefits of working from home...so economics don't really play into it for me. I love the sound and the feel of the 35i because of the I6...that's why I'm keeping my e36 but around here the price delta between a 28 and 38 is at least $5-7k. For that I can refresh my e36's suspension and have an economical daily with a little left over to buy an extended warranty after the CPO expires.

Going to drive two others tomorrow and I'll pull the trigger ASAP. Great to see the e84 community is strong! Looking forward to joining you all. Thanks again!

[bucketfoot]

Originally Posted by dpw325

but around here the price delta between a 28 and 38 is at least $5-7k.

That is where I was. We had a price cap set for whatever vehicle we bought and the 35 fell well outside of that range.

Does the 35 have more power... no doubt! But the 28 most definitely is no slouch!

[SharpAndCunning]

Originally Posted by falconey

I've had the jb4 on my e90 for about 4 years, lol. The entire time I've procrastinated about buying and installing a charge pipe. I've been lucky, i guess (knock on wood).

What are your hang ups about the jb4? I think it's a great add on even if you aren't trying to get the most power. Great for logging, can read and clear BMW specific codes, plus the torque it adds can help with utility as well. I've been thinking of buying/installing a tow hitch and having that extra torque when hauling a trailer will certainly come in handy if I go that route.

Honestly, every other car I've tuned a modded before was N/A, and I've already had some issues with my X1. My hang up really comes down to not wanting to push the car, that is already showing to me at 32k miles it's delicate.

I was thinking about the JB+ to start, which adds 2.5-4psi, and there's a seller on the forums that will give you the price you paid for the jb+ in store credit to trade up to the jb4 if you decide to, but then I've read a lost of complaints that running the JB+ at max has caused x1's to go into limp mode and had to dial back the boost. So I'm just torn on what to do.

I had lined up a charge pipe and JB4 deal, but I couldn't log in for a couple of days and missed out, so I'm back on the hunt. ha.

Originally Posted by bucketfoot

That is where I was. We had a price cap set for whatever vehicle we bought and the 35 fell well outside of that range.

Does the 35 have more power... no doubt! But the 28 most definitely is no slouch!

The 28 is no slouch I agree. But The 28i isn't worth the premium compared to say Ford's 2.0T ecoboost, or even Hyundai's 2.0T, IMHO. I bought mine 2 years ago, and It only seemed to run about 4k more than a comparably loaded 28i. I wanted the moonroof, and navigation, etc. At 0.9%, I couldn't say no.