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BMW prototype development even takes place in the UK including Scotland and Wales. But also in South Africa,Australia and Japan.
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01-01-2017, 07:08 PM | #289 |
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Wow, I dislike this more than I thought I would. Fingers crossed for a good followup to the E89 Coupe.
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01-01-2017, 09:07 PM | #290 |
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I think I read from Scott at some points in the past the Z5 will resemble the Vision Connected Drive... The tail lights I think will be shaped similar to my very very crude render below. The false bodypanels and reflective red tape in these pics makes the rear shaped like the current Z4, but in fact it's hiding something different underneath.
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01-02-2017, 12:22 AM | #291 | |
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And the entire idea of having a top heavy convertible - as the hardtop is, yes, the metal roof is heavier than the cloth. The proportions also are lot harder to get right using metal. It's was almost a fahion thingy using hardtops's, but softop's are coming back, it's the classic, light, easy of use and easy to design right option. I've had it on a E36 convertible, and alot have happened since then.
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01-02-2017, 02:24 AM | #292 |
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I'm not a huge convertible fan even though I have one, and I find the wt argument laughable, it's gonna be much heavier vs a coupe regardless of rag/hard-top. Hardtops are only gonna get lighter and some are already lighter than rags, not to mention better looks and insulation and image.
Btw, using 3-series as an argument against hardtops is silly, that thing has way too many panels and it even shows exposed rivets/latches!!!! Ofc that's an easy target lol. |
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01-02-2017, 11:28 AM | #293 | ||
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Seeing as the protypes are out with a soft top... and BMW probably isn't going to change their mind and manufacture a hard top.... and you want a hard top .... Quote:
BMW Z3 - soft top BMW Z4- - soft top and then hard top BMW Z5 - soft top .. BMW 1 series - soft top BMW 2 series - soft top BMW E46 3 series - soft top BMW E90 3 series - hard top BMW F80 4 series - hard top BMW E63 6 series - soft top BMW F12 6 series - soft top - " advanced BMW soft top technology " It's quite interesting that as justification for why you feel that the Z5 should be a hard top.. that you quote two models that probably cost upwards of 4X what the Z5 MSRP will be Last edited by M3 Adjuster; 01-02-2017 at 03:04 PM.. |
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01-02-2017, 02:56 PM | #297 |
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^Dude, all I'm just saying hardtops are getting better and the wt argument is not a big issue since it's a vert either way. It's a better material vs rags and ofc looks much better.
Are you saying Z5 may be a hardtop? How can that be? |
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01-02-2017, 03:06 PM | #298 | |
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all I am saying is ... clearly BMW has EMBRACED the folding hard top and made a DECISION to use it in some models and not in others.. you on the other hand... in your enthusiasm for the hard top.. lost sight of the fact that BMW continues to utilize both soft and hard tops.. Personally.. I can see both why both are appealing. for a DAILY DRIVEN vehicle... I think that most people would prefer a hard top (all things being equal) For a weekend vehicle.... it's probably not so important to have a hard top |
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01-02-2017, 03:08 PM | #299 | |
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Also, I do wish for some consistency, but that's too much to expect. |
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01-02-2017, 03:16 PM | #301 |
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Wasn't it the SLK that started the hardtop thing? Btw, it's not only a 'fashion' thing, but a move to make it more upscale/functional, as many are turned-off by the rag for obvious reasons. Like I said, the rag is just an afterthought, meh, just finish the car, poof, put a rag on it and it's done. Sell to customers.
EDIT: Anyway, it's great some of you guys love the traditional way. I'm curious what the %age increase from coupe to convertible is, as I suspect that the gap is huge for that vs from rag to hard-top. Last edited by tranquility; 01-02-2017 at 03:25 PM.. |
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here's what Wiki says.. one of the first[citation needed] modern[vague] retractable hardtop convertibles, the SLK joined others of this era including the 1995 Mitsubishi 3000GT Spyder, the Peugeot 306 Cabriolet, the Lexus SC, the Pontiac G6, and the Chrysler Sebring. The Lexus SC came out in 2001 and the SLK in 1996 but it sounds like the Mitsu 3000 GT came earlier than both.. not gonna research the others. Indeed.. the Lexus.. the Merc. and the Chyrsler Sebring all were attempting to make fashion statements. So.. it's been 20 years... and many manufacturers appear to be going back to soft tops.. go figure.. |
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01-02-2017, 03:37 PM | #303 |
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Anyway, usually, coupes are much lighter than their vert siblings. |
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01-02-2017, 06:50 PM | #307 | |
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It is about to get interesting... The Z's are making a comeback!
The upcoming 4er Convertible will be a Ragtop as well.
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I've been impressed though with the ones I have owned and they have been good until 15 years of age. Thanks for the info on the upcoming 4 series... ! so ... that being the case ... then None of the lineup will be a hardtop anymore ? That's saying something. |
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