X1 or Mini Countryman ALL4

03///m3 · 02-28-2011, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DUH CAR

Hey Carnut. Take a look at the Range Rover Evoque. My son was looking at an A3, but apparently put a refundable deposit on an Evoque at the car show. Said it will be available to drive April or May with summer delivery. Don't know specs or price.

No X1's in Aulkland so far.

The Range Rover Evoque looks amazing. I'm very interested to see what the MPG will be and the pricing/availability.

nathan35 · 02-28-2011, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 03///m3

The Range Rover Evoque looks amazing. I'm very interested to see what the MPG will be and the pricing/availability.

Yes, the evoque looks great, and I'm pretty curious to see how close it is to the X1 pricewise... though it certainly doesn't look as good as an X1

Gatekeeper · 02-28-2011, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Gatekeeper

Evoque is announced at 35 000 € (about 4 million CAD

) in France for an entry-level 3-door model.
I guess one can expect the 5-door starting circa 40k€...

Not the same league as the X1 which goes for 29 k€ here in basic trim.

Nathan, you make me quote myself.

One can speculate the price difference will be fairly similar on most markets.

nathan35 · 02-28-2011, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Gatekeeper

Nathan, you make me quote myself.

OK, sorry

didn't know there was any official announcement yet, thought you were just speculating. I didn't find any price on the Dutch RR website.

manicm · 03-01-2011, 04:00 AM

The Evoque will be considerably more expensive than the X1 - it will kick off at 30k pounds. There is no price penalty for choosing the 5dr though. And it is a very good looking, modern car. Nice interior too.

Gatekeeper · 03-01-2011, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by nathan35

OK, sorry

didn't know there was any official announcement yet, thought you were just speculating. I didn't find any price on the Dutch RR website.

No offense taken bro

.

The prices were released in the media. At 35k it's well below a RR Sport though, and along the lines of a Q5.
All things considered, not THAT big a gap compared to an X1...

Gatekeeper · 03-01-2011, 07:24 AM

Hey, just got myself an extra stripe !

nathan35 · 03-01-2011, 07:29 AM

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Hey, just got myself an extra stripe !

bimmerfile · 03-01-2011, 08:02 AM

O.K. I just saw the pics of the X1 M-sport pkge on the other thread and that closes the deal for me.
It'll definitely be the M-sport X1 for me.
Case closed.

Gatekeeper · 03-01-2011, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by nathan35

Thanks. You'll get there eventually son.

manicm · 03-01-2011, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Gatekeeper

Hey, just got myself an extra stripe !

So you're up to 3 now?

Pepe79 · 03-01-2011, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Gatekeeper

Hey, just got myself an extra stripe !

Congrats!
(What is that?

)

Pepe79 · 03-01-2011, 09:27 AM

I was also looking the Countryman after my first visit at BMW (but only because it was raining so heavily and I needed a shelter hehe). I have to say, that I'd never choose Mini instead of a BMW. NEVER EVER

I don't like the retro-futuristic interior either. I did not go for a test drive, because I was not impressed for the first sight. I decided to buy a car which I really like inside and outside, and driving gives me the extra "joy". I found that one

And I will get my red devil soon.

Gatekeeper · 03-01-2011, 10:22 AM

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Congrats!
(What is that?

)

It goes with the number of posts. 3 stripes make me a Lieutenant.
Means also that I babble and rumble here often enough.

Pepe79 · 03-01-2011, 11:32 AM

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It goes with the number of posts. 3 stripes make me a Lieutenant.
Means also that I babble and rumble here often enough.

Oh, I thought it is related to the car

I'm still nobody

Is this your car in the avatar? What about the one you had there earlier? I thought you were real police

Gatekeeper · 03-01-2011, 11:37 AM

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Oh, I thought it is related to the car

I'm still nobody

Is this your car in the avatar? What about the one you had there earlier? I thought you were real police

The Marrakesh Brown is mine (well, my wife's company car... I drive a lousy company Golf 5 GT... with blue lights though..

) and it's right here : http://e84.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=457218

But I get tired of seeing the same avatar's pic after a while, so when I come across a nice picture of an emergency X1, I update it.

mario486 · 03-02-2011, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by manicm

The Evoque will be considerably more expensive than the X1 - it will kick off at 30k pounds. There is no price penalty for choosing the 5dr though. And it is a very good looking, modern car. Nice interior too.

Yep, its going to be 25% more expensive than the X1 and to be quite honest I think its a bit of a con. Reason I say this is that originally it was going to be marketed as a Land Rover but then someone at Land/Range Rover et al got a brainwave. Stick a Range Rover badge on it, give it a fancy name, drape Victoria whatsisname over it and then raise the price by 20%.

No... I don't think so

. I am sure that many will be caught out by this and to be honest its an image thing. Many will say so is BMW but the difference here is that BMW have a proven track record for build quality and reliability. Range Rover and Land Rover (with the exception of the Defender) not so.

If you are in the Evoque price bracket, wait for the Porsche Cajun or get a X3/X5/X6.

Mako · 03-02-2011, 11:24 AM

Well here is something to consider in the US if comparing these two cars as my wife and I have. ENGINES and performance.

A mini Cooper Countryman All 4 will cost $36,500 fully loaded which is just short of a X3 base price and I am guessing right around the cost of an X1 28i with minimal options.

The X1 is a bigger car, rides higher, more storage, weighs more, BUT gets much better performance

Mini Engine = i4 turbo with 181 HP, 177 torque, 0-60 in 7.3 seconds, Automatic is rated at 23/30 MPG in the US. Kind of dissapointing for a car that cost that much.

X1 28i = i4 turbo with 245 HP, 258 torque, 0-60 in 6.1 seconds, after converting the Euro cycle numbers to US numbers it looks like around 24/35 MPG which is amazing.

So the X1 blows away the mini in acceration and MPG while being a bigger/heavier car, they really need improved engines in the mini, why not offer a JCW with the same engine as the X1, now that would be something amazing.

For now comparing the X1 28i to a Countryman S All 4 is no contest, totally worth a few grand more for the X1.

This is also probably a huge reason for the delay of the X1 to the US, it will hurt both the X3 and Mini Countryman sales, people looking for something inbetween like my wife. That and the fact that they can't keep up with production right now and why release it in the US until the 2.0 turbo is ready to go... plus when does BMW only offer 1 engine in a car, so what else would they bring tot he US? 35i, that would be sick, 0-60 in about 5.2 seconds for under $40K. Or a D? but what is the point of a D when the i28 petrol gets amazing MPG.

Denny Swift · 03-02-2011, 11:55 AM

I drove 250 mile r/t to NJ and back over the weekend and saw my first on-the-road Countryman. I haven't read anything but I'd guess that they are not selling well. Maybe I'm wrong. What I find very strange is that not one of the big-4 US car magazines has done a full test on the Countryman. Typically, whenever any new cars comes out (especially one that is marketed to enthusiasts) it gets a full review in all 4 magazines before the car even goes on sale. All they have done is a "first Impression" type overview. Is Mini afraid for a full review to come out? Favorable reviews dramatically increase car sales, so I'd think Mini would be begging them for a review (unless they are scared.)

Sorry if I jacked the thread.

Update: Ok, Although I've searched a lot before and found nothing, I now see that MT did review the Countryman (Juke Comparison). They beat on the Countryman pretty badly. What they say about the "soggy" handling is exactly my impression after two test drives. I really disliked the steering and body dynamics; I was wondering if it was just me. MT is the only one of the 4 mags I don't subscribe to.

Lucky13 · 03-02-2011, 03:38 PM

Car magazines have done a full review of the Countryman because I get Autoweek, Car and Driver , Motor Trend and Automobile and have read them. One did a full test verses the Nissan Puke (I mean Juke). They are selling very well, Mini publishes sales so go to motoringfile.com and should be in the January and worldwide numbers.

There's no way the X1 2.0 will get 24 city and 35 highway, that may be how it converts but its a totally different test for EPA verses Europe. I'd be supprised if its over 22 and 30. Don't get me wrong because I just talked my wife into getting the X1 verses a Countryman (we have a Clubman S).

Gatekeeper · 03-02-2011, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mario486

Yep, its going to be 25% more expensive than the X1 and to be quite honest I think its a bit of a con.

Barely 20% if you compare entry level models. Ballpark with a 2WD Audi A5, which is not out of whack really.

But I agree with the argument about the Range Rover branding. I guess we'll have to wait for the real thing to hit the showrooms in order to check if it's worth the extra 5 or 6 grand. Upholstery, assembly, material quality and general feel will make it a true Range... or not !

Mako · 03-02-2011, 03:57 PM

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There's no way the X1 2.0 will get 24 city and 35 highway, that may be how it converts but its a totally different test for EPA verses Europe. I'd be supprised if its over 22 and 30. Don't get me wrong because I just talked my wife into getting the X1 verses a Countryman (we have a Clubman S).

well I doubted that too, as those would be great numbers, but considering their 300 horsepower i6 turbo gets 19/26 in the X3, is it really that hard to believe? The X1 weighs 570 pounds less than the X3 (400 pounds more than a mini countryman). So with 16% weight savings in the car plus an i4 engine, is 25% better MPG really out of the question?

the articles I have seen said they expect well over 30 mpg highway and almost 30 mpg combined cycles with US EPA figures, I guess we will just have to wait and see.

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manicm First Lieutenant 11 Rep 375 Posts Drives: X1 sDrive18i Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: SA iTrader: (0)	The Evoque will be considerably more expensive than the X1 - it will kick off at 30k pounds. There is no price penalty for choosing the 5dr though. And it is a very good looking, modern car. Nice interior too.
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Pepe79 Red Devil 3 Rep 51 Posts Drives: X1 20d xDrive Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: The Netherlands iTrader: (0)	I was also looking the Countryman after my first visit at BMW (but only because it was raining so heavily and I needed a shelter hehe). I have to say, that I'd never choose Mini instead of a BMW. NEVER EVER I don't like the retro-futuristic interior either. I did not go for a test drive, because I was not impressed for the first sight. I decided to buy a car which I really like inside and outside, and driving gives me the extra "joy". I found that one And I will get my red devil soon.
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Mako (Sold) '00 M Roadster '06 M Coupe '16 M3 '20 X3MC 1548 Rep 2,588 Posts Drives: '23 M3 comp Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Chicago suburbs iTrader: (0)	Well here is something to consider in the US if comparing these two cars as my wife and I have. ENGINES and performance. A mini Cooper Countryman All 4 will cost $36,500 fully loaded which is just short of a X3 base price and I am guessing right around the cost of an X1 28i with minimal options. The X1 is a bigger car, rides higher, more storage, weighs more, BUT gets much better performance Mini Engine = i4 turbo with 181 HP, 177 torque, 0-60 in 7.3 seconds, Automatic is rated at 23/30 MPG in the US. Kind of dissapointing for a car that cost that much. X1 28i = i4 turbo with 245 HP, 258 torque, 0-60 in 6.1 seconds, after converting the Euro cycle numbers to US numbers it looks like around 24/35 MPG which is amazing. So the X1 blows away the mini in acceration and MPG while being a bigger/heavier car, they really need improved engines in the mini, why not offer a JCW with the same engine as the X1, now that would be something amazing. For now comparing the X1 28i to a Countryman S All 4 is no contest, totally worth a few grand more for the X1. This is also probably a huge reason for the delay of the X1 to the US, it will hurt both the X3 and Mini Countryman sales, people looking for something inbetween like my wife. That and the fact that they can't keep up with production right now and why release it in the US until the 2.0 turbo is ready to go... plus when does BMW only offer 1 engine in a car, so what else would they bring tot he US? 35i, that would be sick, 0-60 in about 5.2 seconds for under $40K. Or a D? but what is the point of a D when the i28 petrol gets amazing MPG.
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Denny Swift Private First Class 12 Rep 103 Posts Drives: '22 992GTS; '20 Porsche Spyder Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Pennsylvania iTrader: (0)	I drove 250 mile r/t to NJ and back over the weekend and saw my first on-the-road Countryman. I haven't read anything but I'd guess that they are not selling well. Maybe I'm wrong. What I find very strange is that not one of the big-4 US car magazines has done a full test on the Countryman. Typically, whenever any new cars comes out (especially one that is marketed to enthusiasts) it gets a full review in all 4 magazines before the car even goes on sale. All they have done is a "first Impression" type overview. Is Mini afraid for a full review to come out? Favorable reviews dramatically increase car sales, so I'd think Mini would be begging them for a review (unless they are scared.) Sorry if I jacked the thread. Update: Ok, Although I've searched a lot before and found nothing, I now see that MT did review the Countryman (Juke Comparison). They beat on the Countryman pretty badly. What they say about the "soggy" handling is exactly my impression after two test drives. I really disliked the steering and body dynamics; I was wondering if it was just me. MT is the only one of the 4 mags I don't subscribe to. Last edited by Denny Swift; 03-02-2011 at 12:12 PM..
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Lucky13 Lucky13 211 Rep 1,762 Posts Drives: 2014 M235 manual, 2020 X3 30X Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Columbia, S.C. iTrader: (0)	Car magazines have done a full review of the Countryman because I get Autoweek, Car and Driver , Motor Trend and Automobile and have read them. One did a full test verses the Nissan Puke (I mean Juke). They are selling very well, Mini publishes sales so go to motoringfile.com and should be in the January and worldwide numbers. There's no way the X1 2.0 will get 24 city and 35 highway, that may be how it converts but its a totally different test for EPA verses Europe. I'd be supprised if its over 22 and 30. Don't get me wrong because I just talked my wife into getting the X1 verses a Countryman (we have a Clubman S).
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