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12-28-2011, 08:38 AM | #287 | |
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To end the speculation, here are STi's plans for the BRZ according to their press release for the Tokyo Auto Salon, the upcoming tuner show in Japan.
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12-28-2011, 08:54 AM | #288 |
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Yet. The base car isn't even available yet, why would they release a higher performance model now? I'm sure they're not oblivious to how Porsche, BMW, Ferrari and just about everyone else rolls out models.
Further, STI is the in house tuning arm of Subie, similar to M for BMW. Just as you can get M products for non M cars, the things you listed are simply STI offering for the base car, not indicative of what an actual full on STI model of the BRZ will be, which I'm sure we're still a year or two from seeing. I'd also assume that there won't be a faster version of the BRZ until the current STI is done, which has to be soon, as the Impreza it's based on has already been replaced and current rumors have the STI and WRX moving to a separate chassis. |
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The fact of the matter is; this is the car that STi is presenting on behalf of FHI. It's not a parts showcase. This is the concept car.
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12-28-2011, 10:14 AM | #290 |
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Good to see they are adding the carbon parts (especially the roof) though. All that's left to do is move the battery to the trunk, add the turbo, remove the rear seats, and add wider tires.
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01-04-2012, 11:02 AM | #293 |
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Dude.. that is a drift team car, NOT a factory car. Sounds like a 2.5L STi swap anyway. Guaranteed there was a ton of modification to make that work, FMIC included with some expensive plumbing.
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![]() You see, there's a lot of modded 400hp 135i's out there and yet there's ALSO the factory 340hp 1M! ![]() |
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![]() The Toyobaru is also much more practical for a dd. |
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Listen, I want to believe. I REALLY do. I just can't until we have some solid evidence. I've stared at that engine bay and I tend to believe Subaru when they say a turbo does not fit.
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Please, show me where Subaru have ever said that. I'm really hoping that they don't put a turbo in there... I rather wanted to see a supercharger! ![]() |
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As for Subaru saying a turbo won't fit.. take a look: Quote:
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Now the confusion comes from the fact that there IS a turbocharged version of the FA (~260-300hp). However, this engine is designed for the WRX and possibly STi. There is also a 1.6L turbocharged engine which MIGHT fit although it wouldn't make much sense as the power would be similar. Power bump of some type is likely though. Even the Subaru engineers think it's underpowered.. Quote:
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In fact, the above quote (which is not from Subaru) just explains why a turbo can indeed fit. Why?! Because in the new 1.6 engine that you've mentioned the turbo has changed from its traditional place in the back, near the firewall, to be now placed down in the front where room exists in the Toyobaru. ![]() Also, what Subaru has already officially stated is that a turbo version of the FA20 engine will INDEED exist in the near future. Just compare the two front views of the engines and where the turbo is located in the 1.6L engine: ![]() 1.6L with Turbo and air-to-air intercooler: |
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Right; as I said 1.6L turbo. Which would produce similar power to the 2.0L FA in NA, though probably more torque.. but I don't know how that would work with gearing.
Anyway I'm trying to understand your point re: the 1.6T.. I still think the 2.0T doesn't fit. As Subaru did say, if you want more power, the WRX STi is there. Are you saying that since they fit a turbo to a 1.6L that MIGHT fit.. that they can also fit a turbo on the FA in the BRZ? We know the FA will be turbo in the WRX. Just trying to get where you're coming from..
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From this perspective you can better see why a TMIC is also possible (there's room available):
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Although I would much prefer a S/C, I must reckon that a Turbo version will be more likely... since it's Subaru we are talking about. ![]() |
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Hmm.. well, can't wait to see what unfolds. I guess we should wait until it's for sale here eh? :P
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If a more powerful version of this engine will ever exist then it will be FI. Of that I am pretty sure! ![]() Oh, sorry... it already exists and Subaru says it has FI! ![]() |
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Yes, the engine you are talking about is going to fit in the the WRX. Why should an STI get a completely different engine? The BRZ STI will be like an M3 CSL or a 911 GT3 RS, a more hardore version and not a just powerful version like for example VW Scirocco and VW Scirocco R. So also who cares about keeping emissions and consumption low? The AS1 is a tuners car, so those wanting FI will just swap EJ engines or ad supercharger or turbocharger kits. Only TRD will offer a bolt on supercharger for any 86, and maybe a special version with it already from factory. |
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