New BMW M boss talks AWD and potential models

ufgtrs2007 · 01-13-2015, 06:07 PM

His resume is questionable at best. Hope he doesn't ruin ///M

swagon · 01-13-2015, 06:09 PM

AWD M... Ugh ugh.

It's obvious that if you have 850 Nm going at rear wheels only and smash the throttle, you'll be spinning all the time. And if it is even wet, the car becomes basically undriveable. I'd suggest stop wanting more and more power and get some driving lessons before you get such a car.

Falafel Combo · 01-13-2015, 06:14 PM

New M cars with so much power and low end torque, are somewhat disadvantaged by an intrusive traction control systems which limits the amount of power you can put down due to tire slippage.

Porsche, GTR, Bugatti, Lamborghini, AMG, ... All recognize that if you make all that ridiculous power, you need to figure out a better way to lay it on the pavement.

Besides, hasn't the i8 taught us anything? BMW can pull off a fantastic, sporty and very well handling AWD car. No doubt. Imagine what the M division can do with that AWD system ...

TheRealOrosie · 01-13-2015, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Haha and that's why stock M6 smokes stock GTR in rolling + RWD and basically that's tracking issue is lots of fun!

smokes?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTCFb6V7oT0

Blubaron79 · 01-13-2015, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by InControl

As a future M customer I'm OK with AWD as an option only, RWD and proper manual has to be the heart of M division, would love to see the return of NA engines with the possibility of electric front wheel drive hybrid.

Agreed with all the above, but NA is never coming back.

farishat · 01-13-2015, 06:18 PM

Hey, replace the M badge with Colored Audi Rings, and call it a day.

3M TAPE · 01-13-2015, 06:19 PM

Only if they make AWD system like the ones in the Ferrari FF..

checkmate · 01-13-2015, 06:20 PM

If HP is the issue, why not decrease yes I said decrease HP, reduce weight and simply focus on chassis dynamics. This way no AWD necessary.

Ala E30 M3??

Revcrazy · 01-13-2015, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by checkmate

If HP is the issue, why not decrease yes I said decrease HP, reduce weight and simply focus on chassis dynamics. This way no AWD necessary.

Ala E30 M3??

That is not BMW. Even the m235 is 3500 lbs and look how small it is.

bdoooh · 01-13-2015, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Double Bubble

Only if they make AWD system like the ones in the Ferrari FF..

+1

Because if Chris Harris can hoon his FF all RWD-like.. while having AWD..

pafpaf · 01-13-2015, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bucket328

Please please pleaseeeee for the love of god, if, if you are going to make the M5 and M6 AWD, make it an option only!!!! Keep the RWD legend alive!!

+1

Revcrazy · 01-13-2015, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JNoSol

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Originally Posted by Revcrazy

There is simply no passion in BMW anymore like Porsche, Ferrari and a couple others have. They are simply about a business case and churning out as many cars as possible. I do think AWD is a good option on these new M cars because they are handfuls at the limit and down put power down well. Too bad xdrive isn't nearly an equal to Quattro.

And what facts do you have that xDrive isn't as good as Quattro? Audi Quattro understeer while xDrive oversteer through hard corners. Everyone knows oversteering is better and more fun. If you're referring who can climb the rigged ramps better, that has no real world use for a 5 or 6 series.

I'm a strong believer is keeping the M RWD. If you want AWD, get a 550/650.

Honestly, unless it's AWD in a Porsche or Lamborghini or GTR Im not a huge fan. Those cars are rwd in dry conditions.
Xdrive under steers too when pushed. I have not liked it in any bmws I've driven whereas Quattro in the r8 or rs5 or s4 is pretty good.

Doctor///M · 01-13-2015, 06:49 PM

Considering to phase out 6MT?? I'll enjoy mine while I can :-)

Bosozoku · 01-13-2015, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Blubaron79

Quote:

Originally Posted by InControl

As a future M customer I'm OK with AWD as an option only, RWD and proper manual has to be the heart of M division, would love to see the return of NA engines with the possibility of electric front wheel drive hybrid.

Agreed with all the above, but NA is never coming back.

Agree.
And I won't shed any tears when the 6MT goes away.

BlackCobra08 · 01-13-2015, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bosozoku

Agree.
And I won't shed any tears when the 6MT goes away.

doug_999 · 01-13-2015, 07:06 PM

Talk to the guy who did the Dinan Stage 1 on his M4 - the car is un-driveable. At some point, you have to face it, there is only so much power you can get to the ground when the rears (or fronts) are doing it alone.

And... once you have had AWD, man it is tough to look back (at least if you live in a place with rain and snow!)

W/// · 01-13-2015, 07:18 PM

Seriously, this has been rumored for YEARS, even for the current F10 M5. Did you think the dude just came on and single handedly change the direction of the company in 2 weeks? No.

ShocknAwe · 01-13-2015, 07:19 PM

+1 to going back to roots, focusing on driving mechanics, reduce weight, and keep the power reasonable. This HP race is positively stupid. AWD and autoboxes are not fun to drive.

midwest 340xi 6sp · 01-13-2015, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Revcrazy

There is simply no passion in BMW anymore like Porsche, Ferrari and a couple others have. They are simply about a business case and churning out as many cars as possible.

As someone who's owned 2 generations of M3's, 550's and now a brand new owner of an M235xi, I couldn't disagree more...

That little 235 is fast as hell, spirited as all get out and underscores BMW still knows how to build a car the enthusiast will covet..

Revcrazy · 01-13-2015, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Midwest M235i

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Originally Posted by Revcrazy

There is simply no passion in BMW anymore like Porsche, Ferrari and a couple others have. They are simply about a business case and churning out as many cars as possible.

As someone who's owned 2 generations of M3's, 550's and now a brand new owner of an M235xi, I couldn't disagree more...

That little 235 is fast as hell, spirited as all get out and underscores BMW still knows how to build a car the enthusiast will covet..

I've also owned many bmws mostly all M cars over the last couple generations. I do not think they have passion like that of Porsche, Ferrari and a few others.
The m235 isn't bad to drive, but isn't anything special. Still is very heavy despite its very small size and basic features. I just don't see it having the passion just that all the other bmws have gotten so soulless it makes you think that but not compared to other cars that truly have soul and real character.
I don't recall the m235 doing very well when it was in road and tracks performance car of the year either.

RingMeister01 · 01-13-2015, 07:36 PM

Against consumer popularity, I'd rather have a car less in weight and less in power. Higher driver dynamic, less fuel consumption and less pollution.

Imagine a modern E36 M3 with today's technological abilities.

Problem pucking solved.

Revcrazy · 01-13-2015, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RingMeister01

Against consumer popularity, I'd rather have a car less in weight and less in power. Higher driver dynamic, less fuel consumption and less pollution.

Imagine a modern E36 M3 with today's technological abilities.

Problem pucking solved.

This. Couldn't agree more. That is what the 911 has set the bar for and still does. Not about brute power but superior feel, driving dynamics, braking and a car that feels truly one with the driver...

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