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      07-31-2014, 11:21 PM   #1
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So who here is a cloud architect?

Looking to get some advice from people in the career field if theres any around. Thanks.
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I spent two years in Australia's fastest growing cloud consultancy. PM me
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Haha, he's not talking about iCloud

Taking about setting up a cloud infrastructure company for business use, and seeking guidance in the hardware architecture and virtualization methodology that would be used to back such an infrastructure.

Cloud in the business sense is server virtualization provided to small businesses for their internal networks, as well as their public facing web application needs. Typically, these services are provided by huge companies with services such as Amazon AWS, MicroSoft Azure, and a host of small companies that provide similar services on a smaller scale.

Cool stuff, lots of competition.

Or, you know, something like that...
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If you are trying to get into the field then I suggest you don't. The cloud business is, and will continue to be, owned by the big guys: Amazon, Oracle, HP, etc. So you are looking at only a handful of potential employers. I'm not optimistic with the job opportunities.
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If you are trying to get into the field then I suggest you don't. The cloud business is, and will continue to be, owned by the big guys: Amazon, Oracle, HP, etc. So you are looking at only a handful of potential employers. I'm not optimistic with the job opportunities.
Why? Did they turn you down?
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That makes no sense.

If you want to start a cloud services business, then yeah it won't be easy, but it can be done. A colleague of mine sold his company recently and that was their business, in fact: cloud infrastructure services.

On the other hand, if you're looking to become a cloud architect or other similar type of employee in that particular career field, given how this is the big thing right now, the job opportunities for someone who knows their stuff are actually very good.

It was unclear which route the OP is thinking about, though now that I re-read the post I am leaning towards the latter.
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Yeah ddk632 looking at it as a future career. Currently overseas contracting as a Satellite Communications Engineer via experience but taking majoring in CS online through Regis University. Im at the point where Im about to begin core classes and just wanted to talk to some people that are in the field since I know there is a ton of people working in IT on the board. Interested in it but don't want to continuously cert chase so Im kinda thinking about switching to marketing or another major where my 10+ in the IT field could still pay off. How do you like being in that career field and where do you see it going in the future? Any information concerning becoming a cloud architect or other career fields would be appreciated. Thanks.
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Haha, he's not talking about iCloud

Taking about setting up a cloud infrastructure company for business use, and seeking guidance in the hardware architecture and virtualization methodology that would be used to back such an infrastructure.

Cloud in the business sense is server virtualization provided to small businesses for their internal networks, as well as their public facing web application needs. Typically, these services are provided by huge companies with services such as Amazon AWS, MicroSoft Azure, and a host of small companies that provide similar services on a smaller scale.

Cool stuff, lots of competition.

Or, you know, something like that...
You do realise that most Fortune 500's are using "cloud" in some way, right? It's not just SMB. Microsoft Azure, AWS, Google to a lesser extent all provide virtualised instances of applications as well as infrastructure. It stopped being just "server virtualization provided to small businesses for their internal networks, as well as their public facing web application" before I even started.

The value of the large players isn't just in the price of their services and how the CFO jumps at it, but rather their specialisations. If you take a look AWS, yes their IaaS is cheap, but one of the awesome things they offer is the ELB (Elastic Load Balancer)- allowing scale out/scale in easily. Netflix is a consumer of this for their web front ends and CDN. (google that for more info).
Microsoft entered with Office 365 in the SaaS arena, yet this ties into the Azure portfolio through integration points and shared directories; whilst also offering a simple to use and well priced selection of IaaS and web hosting. Their access management is worth keeping an eye on. Also, Azure offers some great HA/DR reference architectures for most of the MSFT inf/app suite, and unlike AWS provides supported SQL instances to allow you stretch an always on AG.

There are also regional data centres where those offering the Express Route or links to the data centre (into your MPLS network or their DC), typically T1/T2 telcos, are then offering value-added wrappers around the services to simplify consumption- and to maintain relevancy by connecting you + value add.

'Cloud' isn't just 'the future', it's now.

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Yeah ddk632 looking at it as a future career. Currently overseas contracting as a Satellite Communications Engineer via experience but taking majoring in CS online through Regis University. Im at the point where Im about to begin core classes and just wanted to talk to some people that are in the field since I know there is a ton of people working in IT on the board. Interested in it but don't want to continuously cert chase so Im kinda thinking about switching to marketing or another major where my 10+ in the IT field could still pay off. How do you like being in that career field and where do you see it going in the future? Any information concerning becoming a cloud architect or other career fields would be appreciated. Thanks.
If you want to do comp-sci, start in a dev-ops/consulting role and expect to hit architect in 3-5yrs, then another few years to grow into it. Depends what interests you and what your actual driver is. What motivates you?

Certs?
I sit certs when required, but I don't bother unless a director asks.

How do I find the industry?
I wouldn't do anything else. I've been consulting to CxO for the past maybe 4-5years? I doubt I'd leave this industry, just keep moving around.

Career expectations?
I've worked T1 IT shop -> transformation -> start up consultancy which is now spreading through APAC -> Global Consultancy turn-around/incubation.
I've got a bunch of certs, no under-grad, stopped my MBA to focus on work.
I make very good money compared to my peers, friends etc; statistically it is also ahead of the bell curve.
I shouldn't have issues with future work, every role change I've been poached anyway. I could transition to leading a team of technical architects or similar if I wanted a cushier role. There is an ever growing list of options for everyone.

My view?
Find what you will enjoy and be motivated to pursue. Passion and dedication stand out in every industry, but more so in the IT field which historically has a shit rep for work ethic etc.

Oh yeah, don't be scared of the business aspects. If business interest you more than code- do Business Information Systems or Commerce.
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You do realise that most Fortune 500's are using "cloud" in some way, right? It's not just SMB. Microsoft Azure, AWS, Google to a lesser extent all provide virtualised instances of applications as well as infrastructure. It stopped being just "server virtualization provided to small businesses for their internal networks, as well as their public facing web application" before I even started.

The value of the large players isn't just in the price of their services and how the CFO jumps at it, but rather their specialisations. If you take a look AWS, yes their IaaS is cheap, but one of the awesome things they offer is the ELB (Elastic Load Balancer)- allowing scale out/scale in easily. Netflix is a consumer of this for their web front ends and CDN. (google that for more info).
Microsoft entered with Office 365 in the SaaS arena, yet this ties into the Azure portfolio through integration points and shared directories; whilst also offering a simple to use and well priced selection of IaaS and web hosting. Their access management is worth keeping an eye on. Also, Azure offers some great HA/DR reference architectures for most of the MSFT inf/app suite, and unlike AWS provides supported SQL instances to allow you stretch an always on AG.

There are also regional data centres where those offering the Express Route or links to the data centre (into your MPLS network or their DC), typically T1/T2 telcos, are then offering value-added wrappers around the services to simplify consumption- and to maintain relevancy by connecting you + value add.

'Cloud' isn't just 'the future', it's now.



If you want to do comp-sci, start in a dev-ops/consulting role and expect to hit architect in 3-5yrs, then another few years to grow into it. Depends what interests you and what your actual driver is. What motivates you?

Certs?
I sit certs when required, but I don't bother unless a director asks.

How do I find the industry?
I wouldn't do anything else. I've been consulting to CxO for the past maybe 4-5years? I doubt I'd leave this industry, just keep moving around.

Career expectations?
I've worked T1 IT shop -> transformation -> start up consultancy which is now spreading through APAC -> Global Consultancy turn-around/incubation.
I've got a bunch of certs, no under-grad, stopped my MBA to focus on work.
I make very good money compared to my peers, friends etc; statistically it is also ahead of the bell curve.
I shouldn't have issues with future work, every role change I've been poached anyway. I could transition to leading a team of technical architects or similar if I wanted a cushier role. There is an ever growing list of options for everyone.

My view?
Find what you will enjoy and be motivated to pursue. Passion and dedication stand out in every industry, but more so in the IT field which historically has a shit rep for work ethic etc.

Oh yeah, don't be scared of the business aspects. If business interest you more than code- do Business Information Systems or Commerce.

You can get an MBA without having an undergraduate degree? Or did I misinterpret what you said? I know you don't have one since you dropped out, but were you allowed to join an MBA program without an undergraduate degree?
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You can get an MBA without having an undergraduate degree? Or did I misinterpret what you said? I know you don't have one since you dropped out, but were you allowed to join an MBA program without an undergraduate degree?
Yes, although there are some hoops to jump through.

Deferred, not dropped out ;-)
As of around 12 months ago it is now more cost effective for me to do my MBA in the US than AU.
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Very good points; yes I do realize it's not just for small businesses. I concede that what I wrote was oversimplified. And yes, I am aware of the movement towards cloud based apps like Office 365, etc., though from a Cloud Architect career perspective I think that the focus is more hardware and virtualization software oriented than software oriented.

I am sure there is overlap in small amounts to some degree. In general though, taking advantage of, for example, Azure SQL and Office 365 integration, falls squarely into software engineering realm.

@Dek25ive

Cool man, it's a great field to get into. IT is growing, and there is lots of opportunity for new entry, unlike say Law, right now. Especially when you've already been in some other part of the field, since you have knowledge and experience on your side above and beyond the average fresh college grad.

I will preface my comments by saying, I am in the software side of things, so I can't give you direct experience in the infrastructure side of things; I also have never taken a cert or college class in my life, so I can't tell you if they're helpful - I can only say that lack of same has never hindered me in my career and/or business.

My commentary is purposely general, but written from a software guy's perspective; hopefully you find it useful in some way.

Also it seems like if you're a Satellite Communications Engineer working overseas, you're not looking to jump into some junior network admin position as average salaries from what I see are pretty decent already in what you currently do. It also means you already have some good grasp on network protocols and how data moves, analysis, etc. I think it's a decent foundation/starting point.

I am not sure why you mentioned marketing though, as I don't consider that IT at all and a marketing degree doesn't seem to be congruent with your current IT experience. I can tell you that if you want a degree to compliment your work and career in any IT field, it should be a CS degree, period. Or in more rare cases, advanced mathematics degrees for more specialized roles, though this is usually in software, not hardware, side of things.

Here is what I can say definitively, to add on top of the already good commentary provided by @_ryan_:

In our field, information technology, the one single most important quality of anyone is Knowing Your Shit(tm).

The second one, right behind #1, is stay on top of new technology constantly.

Believe it or not, there are many people who do not adhere to the above principles who are gainfully employed in IT.

They got in at some point, got stuck in some job, and are today still working on 10 year old technology and can't tell you how it actually does what it does. While that guy has a job, he is not very marketable and has probably reached a plateau of income that will never increase except with inflation. Don't be that guy.

The rest, including degrees and certifications are nice and often useful fluff that adds to those two points. Knowing your shit, and staying on top of new industry standards, practices, technologies, components, and the like, is what gives you value in the market in any IT field, provided you have recent experience with at least the most current widely adopted technologies used in the market. This has been my experience.

That means, know the ins and outs of the low level stuff involved in computing in general. Know what is under the hood (not down to the electronic level, but down to the level where you have a fundamental knowledge of how systems work, how individual components work, how various hardware communication works in computing (you already know this), etc., what are the "weakest links," how different components affect systems at large, which components are available and popular for certain functions, their pros and cons, etc.

To accomplish this, read blogs of industry insiders, frequent tech sites, attend conferences, and similar. There is no shortage of really, really, really smart people who share their knowledge in blogs and articles about every nook and cranny of the technologies that they work with. Often times, these are the same people who are involved in building and developing those technologies. For example, as a C# developer, you might be following members of the team who write c# itself to stay on top of developments. Many of those guys have blogs and are active in the community.

Just like as a software architect, one should be aware of the right tool for the job, as they say, and is expected to know, have experience with, and recommend as well as implement specific technologies into the creation of software systems based on the needs, requirements, analysis, and expectations, so is the cloud architect expected to know and do these things on the infrastructure side.

These principles of knowing and fundamentally understanding the building blocks of systems, the protocols of communication amongst and within systems, are applicable to both hardware and software systems alike.

This is especially important today when so much technology is provided to dumb down things. Especially in software. So many "developers" cannot even explain how AJAX (a marketing term of sorts in itself, btw, as the technology predates the term by more than half a decade) actually works, and what happens, when, how, and via what underlying technology, on the server and the client; or they don't truly grasp the difference in stateless nature of web applications and the stateful nature of desktop software. I've worked with that guy, and trust me, don't be that guy.

(I realize the above may not apply to you since you're not getting into software or web development, but I hope the analogy resonates and I am sure there is a hardware equivalent.)

I think that virtualization / cloud is huge right now and honestly, in the next 10 years I see this field maturing just as software has matured over the past decade. We now have such sophisticated frameworks available, that new developers can write powerful apps in managed code, and they will run on multiple platforms after being compiled directly from bytecode on a device and run as fast as a native app.

That's great for new devs joining the ranks, but the true genius is on the teams who worked to make this happen in the first place. Such opportunities to work on new more advanced technologies and systems, both in software and in hardware, will be, I think, plentiful in the coming decade. I have no intention of going to a different field.

This field is not going anywhere and with the proliferation of IT use for nearly every facet of business as well as personal consumption, coupled with the high rate of relatively useless graduates whose ramp up time to get into mid level positions in their field is high, it's safe to say that the field is in no danger of being over saturated. This is provided you stand above that crowd, by having advanced knowledge of how it all works. This is accomplished by Knowing Your Shit(tm).

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That's great for new devs joining the ranks, but the true genius is on the teams who worked to make this happen in the first place. Such opportunities to work on new more advanced technologies and systems, both in software and in hardware, will be, I think, plentiful in the coming decade. I have no intention of going to a different field.

This field is not going anywhere and with the proliferation of IT use for nearly every facet of business as well as personal consumption, coupled with the high rate of relatively useless graduates whose ramp up time to get into mid level positions in their field is high, it's safe to say that the field is in no danger of being over saturated. This is provided you stand above that crowd, by having advanced knowledge of how it all works. This is accomplished by Knowing Your Shit(tm).
Solid post. I think what we both lightly overlooked is that we didn't define 'cloud architect' as it is quite a loose term.

To add to this- MSFT, Google, AWS, Amazon will recruit grads, as do most T1s. If you're good, try and get picked up in one of their campaigns. A few years in MS or similar will be a great foundation.

Knowing you shit is a good way to position it, David. My view is that the top talent will always have a fun job- if they want it. So far I'm yet to see anything to the contrary.

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Solid post. I think what we both lightly overlooked is that we didn't define 'cloud architect' as it is quite a loose term.

To add to this- MSFT, Google, AWS, Amazon will recruit grads, as do most T1s. If you're good, try and get picked up in one of their campaigns. A few years in MS or similar will be a great foundation.

Knowing you shit is a good way to position it, David. My view is that the top talent will always have a fun job- if they want it. So far I'm yet to see anything to the contrary.

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Thanks man!

Yeah, there are so many titles these days, it could mean a host of things. I actually googled it because as I mentioned, the one guy I know who I'd possibly call a "Cloud Architect" started and sold a successful private cloud services company, and he and his team did in fact architect a cloud. Still, I've never met anyone who actually holds that specific title.

From an employment perspective and for some insight, I found this article/interview on Oracle that I think is useful to this thread. It was an interesting read, and I think OP will enjoy it as well.

http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/ar...e-1697136.html

Nice to be able to geek out a little bit on BimmerPost OT today...

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Really appreciate the great info. Decided to definitely just tough it out and get my degree. Once again appreciate everyone's input and viewpoints.
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Really appreciate the great info. Decided to definitely just tough it out and get my degree. Once again appreciate everyone's input and viewpoints.
I think of it like Jack and the Beanstalk.

Does an engineer who attended an engineering school know anything more than a Cisco/Microsoft/telecom/SAN, blah blah blah engineer? You bet. He knows calculus, differential equations, physics, chemistry, math, etc.

does it translate into money? Possibly not. There are sales people who make more than engineers.

It depends what you want. If it's money, options are wide open. In 2004, it was real estate. I argue a realtor really knows little, but they made a lot of money back then.

I am one who supports the education/advanced degree tract. Someday if doctors can merely log into a computer and take online courses and begin work treating humans, we're all going to be in trouble.
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Speaking of math...I have over 15 years as a Satcom tech and have never used anything besides basic algebra every once in a while. The school Im going to doesn't have as hard a math requirement as average in-class schools require. I know that bottom line math is helping you to understand complex problems but do you really find yourself using all of the math (cal, differential equations) in your current job?
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Speaking of math...I have over 15 years as a Satcom tech and have never used anything besides basic algebra every once in a while. The school Im going to doesn't have as hard a math requirement as average in-class schools require. I know that bottom line math is helping you to understand complex problems but do you really find yourself using all of the math (cal, differential equations) in your current job?
Not at all. But it's a barrier to entry into the field. In other words, you didn't get straight A's through age 18, you can't get into a college to get straight A's through 22, that get you into the graduate school where you have to get straight A's in order to get an internship.

My suspicion is those who knock a real education (question what it's really worth), threw in the towel far short of age 18.

Schools have a 5% acceptance rate today, it was closer to 12% when I went there. Do you throw in the towel when you're 12? Odds are you will be in the 95% that are rejected. But unlike the lottery, your actions have a direct bearing on the outcome...
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