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      08-14-2015, 04:46 PM   #45
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There's never going to be a 6 in the New X1 or X2 but there probably will be a 300 + hp 2.0 4 cylinder option. It's been in the rumor mill for over a year, why wouldn't there be when Mercedes is putting out over 340 hp with their 2.0 4 cylinder. BMW isn't going to let Mercedes and Audi get all that business uncontested but there was no need to address it before since there was the 3.5 option. Give it about a year and I bet you'll see it.
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There's never going to be a 6 in the New X1 or X2 but there probably will be a 300 + hp 2.0 4 cylinder option. It's been in the rumor mill for over a year, why wouldn't there be when Mercedes is putting out over 340 hp with their 2.0 4 cylinder. BMW isn't going to let Mercedes and Audi get all that business uncontested but there was no need to address it before since there was the 3.5 option. Give it about a year and I bet you'll see it.
Yup, BMW has already announced plans for a 300+ HP version of the new X1.
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Yup, BMW has already announced plans for a 300+ HP version of the new X1.
I would much rather have turbo inline 6cyl with 300hp than the four cyl that is boosted to within an inch of its life...like the Mercedes GLA AMG. Plus the six is smoother and will likely sound better....longevity might not be as big of an issue with the 6cyl vs high boost 4cyl.

I really wish they would have made the F48 frame modular to accommodate a longitudinal engine. Oh well, we'll have to wait and see. I may also check out the X4 35i.
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I would much rather have turbo inline 6cyl with 300hp than the four cyl that is boosted to within an inch of its life...like the Mercedes GLA AMG. Plus the six is smoother and will likely sound better....longevity might not be as big of an issue with the 6cyl vs high boost 4cyl.

I really wish they would have made the F48 frame modular to accommodate a longitudinal engine. Oh well, we'll have to wait and see. I may also check out the X4 35i.
Hey, no one hates to see I6s go away more than me. Their hands are tied though. Everyone's are really. Not enough of a market for an engine like that in a car like this. It's sad...but it's the norm these days.

That being said...

Personally, while still damn smooth, and monstrous in the output department, they were half way there when they went FI. As much as I love the N54/55, it was a step in the wrong direction from the S54/S65 and even their more run of the mill N/A engines, at least from a linearity/throttle response/feel perspective. We should be happy we had them in the interim.

IMHO, with the low end twin-scroll turbo response and DI knock control on these well-built turbo 4s, it may wind up being a viable widespread 350+ hp. solution. When that time comes, we're going to see them in the up-engined 3 series, etc. I'm sure. The only cars with more than 4 cylinders may be M's and 7 series.

If we're honest, the N55 in the X1 was an odd, albeit cool combo. Not super sustainable...and the car was much less practical than it should have been for it's weight.

It's a 300 HP hatchback. But it weighs 3800 lbs. It's an odd duck.
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6.3 is really slow compared to the last X1. My X1 was stock at 5.3 seconds, and with a few hundred bucks in mods dips below 4 seconds.



I googled and all I am seeing is reviews saying the ATS is the best driving car in the segment?



Not sure what you are trying to say here. Each of your three sentences disproves the others. Your first statement says that all X1 drivers are 70 year old women. In your second sentence you directly contradict that by saying that the majority of them are driven by men and women in their 20s and 30s, and then in your final sentence you state that you have never seen someone in their 70s driving a X1. You are a mess!

Also, I am not sure why you are even here arguing in the X1 forum if you don't own one. There is no need for insults about our cars. I would never insult your M235i even though it is significantly, significantly slower than my X1 on the drag strip and on the road course.




But they are not winning current comparisons. That is my entire point. You will need to provide some proof if you say they are. I have already referenced several reviews where they lose.

I would really like to hear your arguments once you can formulate a complete sentence. Until then, it is really hard to understand what you are trying to say.
Hey dumbass, Google "what's wrong with Cadillac" exactly as stated. You obviously have never read the Wall Street Journal or any car magazine, the ATS is down almost 20% ytd and the CTS is down approximately 40%.
The quote about 70 year olds was your quote dumbass, I was saying you are an idiot because I have never seen a 70 year old driving an X1. Oh buy the way, go fuck yourself.
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Hey dumbass, Google "what's wrong with Cadillac" exactly as stated. You obviously have never read the Wall Street Journal or any car magazine, the ATS is down almost 20% ytd and the CTS is down approximately 40%.
The quote about 70 year olds was your quote dumbass, I was saying you are an idiot because I have never seen a 70 year old driving an X1. Oh buy the way, go fuck yourself.
See, this is the passion we need around here!

He's an acquired taste...just let it roll off.
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Hey dumbass, Google "what's wrong with Cadillac" exactly as stated. You obviously have never read the Wall Street Journal or any car magazine, the ATS is down almost 20% ytd and the CTS is down approximately 40%.
The quote about 70 year olds was your quote dumbass, I was saying you are an idiot because I have never seen a 70 year old driving an X1. Oh buy the way, go fuck yourself.
1. I said " Brands like Mercedes and Cadillac are subtly shifting towards more driver oriented cars, and I believe that will pay off in the future and leave BMW holding the bag." I know reading comprehension is tough, but current YTD and past sales do not represent "future."

2. I googled exactly what you said about Cadillac and this article popped up saying that Cadillac's problem is essentially a pricing issue. Not sure how that's relevant whatsoever to our discussion. http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/...ales/19551463/

As for the language, apparently I touched a nerve. You really shouldn't take it so personally that your car is so much slower than an X1, it's just a car after all and with the same mods you can be even faster than I am.
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If we're honest, the N55 in the X1 was an odd, albeit cool combo. Not super sustainable...and the car was much less practical than it should have been for it's weight.

It's a 300 HP hatchback. But it weighs 3800 lbs. It's an odd duck.
This. It drinks way too much gas for such a small car. i put a stroller in it yesterday, really small little foldable thing and it BARELY fit. Yet it drinks as much gas as my much larger 9-3 with an engine designed in 2001.

Doesn't make any sense.
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This. It drinks way too much gas for such a small car. i put a stroller in it yesterday, really small little foldable thing and it BARELY fit. Yet it drinks as much gas as my much larger 9-3 with an engine designed in 2001.

Doesn't make any sense.
Those with 35i don't expect less frequent trips to the gas station...and for the last 2yrs I have fit a 7ft Christmas Tree in my X1 with seats folded flat. Tough to do in a 9-3. Utility depends on what you will be using the vehicle for. I only occasionally need the utility. Yesterday, I loaded the X1 with several bags of cement mix and stone from Lowes for a patio repair. Good enough utility for me. Like I said in my prior post, if you don't like the X1 go buy or lease something else. As for me and other 35i owners, we'll keep driving our perfectly imperfect vehicles.
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Hey dumbass, Google "what's wrong with Cadillac" exactly as stated....
The quote about 70 year olds was your quote dumbass, I was saying you are an idiot because I have never seen a 70 year old driving an X1. Oh buy the way, go fuck yourself.
There is absolutely no need for the profanity. You can argue your point without that. Yes, we have a crew in this forum that are passionate about BMW and our X1 and other manufacturers.
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There is absolutely no need for the profanity. You can argue your point without that. Yes, we have a crew in this forum that are passionate about BMW and our X1 and other manufacturers.
Go easy on him, it is because he bought a pseudo "M car" that shares the transmission, engine, and xdrive system with our soccer mom SUVs. Hey, at least the dashboard is a little different
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This statement makes no sense. So your 240 is great, but 300 is useless?

With AWD, you can easily make use of 3-400 HP in the 0-80 MPH range people tend to drive in. Let alone that not everyone drives 75, and passing/merging power is a big luxury.

It would take about 100 HP to make an X1 do 75. Are you suggesting they should have given it only that much? You know, because anything more would have "no purpose".

I will say, that with the 8 speed, the 4 banger is the better choice for most buyers vs. the N55. But that doesn't mean you should discredit the 6 for those that enjoy the performance (and aftermarket potential). My wifes' X1 makes about 380hp, and she still asks for more.

PS, the 4 in your X1 has nothing even remotely resembling "tons" of power. It's a great base engine, and certainly powerful enough to make the car fun. But you have less power than a V6 Camry or RAV4. 240 hasn't been "tons" of power" in over a decade.
the X1 has more than 240 horsepower. They listed it lower and the 0 to 60 mph times lower than actual to convince you to overspend on a six cylinder version. And it has more claimed torque than the V6 Camry.

The argument comes down to this. You think I am stupid for buying the the 28 . I think you are stupid for spending the extra money on the 35 for useless power that you can't use. If I were spending that kind of money there are numerous cars that are so much better than the X1.

We won't convince each other. BMW and the population of the world in general agrees with me. That is why they aren't putting an turbo six into the new X1 and that is why next to no one bought our x1 with the six in it. BMW could make a car that 5 or 6 people on a message board would want or they could make a car that actually sells and they could make a profit off of. They choose to go the profit route.

VW makes a car that you desire. Golf R. Faster than your X1 has four wheel drive and everything else your X1 has. So there is a car for you if you decide you want a new car.
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Those with 35i don't expect less frequent trips to the gas station...and for the last 2yrs I have fit a 7ft Christmas Tree in my X1 with seats folded flat. Tough to do in a 9-3. Utility depends on what you will be using the vehicle for. I only occasionally need the utility. Yesterday, I loaded the X1 with several bags of cement mix and stone from Lowes for a patio repair. Good enough utility for me. Like I said in my prior post, if you don't like the X1 go buy or lease something else. As for me and other 35i owners, we'll keep driving our perfectly imperfect vehicles.
Oh agreed, but the 14 of you that optioned the 35i are not BMW's concern. You're too small a market.
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the X1 has more than 240 horsepower. They listed it lower and the 0 to 60 mph times lower than actual to convince you to overspend on a six cylinder version. And it has more claimed torque than the V6 Camry.

The argument comes down to this. You think I am stupid for buying the the 28 . I think you are stupid for spending the extra money on the 35 for useless power that you can't use. If I were spending that kind of money there are numerous cars that are so much better than the X1.

We won't convince each other. BMW and the population of the world in general agrees with me. That is why they aren't putting an turbo six into the new X1 and that is why next to no one bought our x1 with the six in it. BMW could make a car that 5 or 6 people on a message board would want or they could make a car that actually sells and they could make a profit off of. They choose to go the profit route.

VW makes a car that you desire. Golf R. Faster than your X1 has four wheel drive and everything else your X1 has. So there is a car for you if you decide you want a new car.


What in the world are you talking about?

I didn't say ANY of what you're claiming I'm saying.

I think the 28 is a much better car for most people, for sure. Never did I once even remotely hint that I thought buying the 28 was a bad decision. In fact, my post specifically states that I think the 28 is the better car for most people.

You can go have an argument with yourself if you're going to continue to put words in my mouth.

I was replying to YOUR post saying the 35 is "useless". I was explaining to you that not all people have your priorities, and that, in fact, you can easily use 300, or even 400 HP on today's highways...especially in an AWD, 3800 lb. car. In fact, I (and my wife) use full or near throttle almost every time we drive the car. The tuneability is a big draw of the N55, not necessarily it's stock performance vs. the n20.

Our X1 makes almost 400 HP, it's significantly faster than a Golf R. But I agree with you, if one had been available at the time my wife was shopping for a car, she might have gone that route.

I think my posts on here have made perfectly clear that the N55 X1 is an odd car aimed at a very small group of people who would have liked to see an M235 hatch, or a 335 wagon.

I was ONLY responding to your comment that 300 HP is "useless". Although the N55 X1 is a low-volume car, BMW sells a shit ton of 335s, as well as 5,6,7 and M cars with well over 300 HP.

I guess all those cars are useless too?

Perhaps you should have said "useless to you"...instead of your gross generalization that everyone needs to have the same priorities that you have. Or that you can't use more than 240 HP...despite the fact that most of BMWs lineup makes more power than that.
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Why don't your actually try to respond to what I posted:

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This statement makes no sense. So your 240 is great, but 300 is "has no purpose" on 75 MPH highways?

With AWD, you can easily make use of 3-400 HP in the 0-80 MPH range people tend to drive in. Let alone that not everyone drives 75, and passing/merging power is a big luxury.

It would take about 100 HP to make an X1 do 75. Are you suggesting they should have given it only that much? You know, because anything more would have "no purpose".
Why don't you address that^^^, instead of deflecting with strawman?
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BMW and the population of the world in general agrees with me. That is why they aren't putting an turbo six into the new X1
Ummmm, no. They aren't putting a 6 in it, because it's a chassis designed for transverse engines. The six doesn't fit.

Maybe you're not up to speed, but BMW has already announced plans for a 300+ HP (turbo 4) version of the new X1.

Not that it will be a big seller either. Again, it's a very small market for a high-performance version of a car like this.
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Our X1 makes almost 400 HP, it's significantly faster than a Golf R.
Hey now, let's be fair and compare stock to stock or tuned to tuned. I'd expect a reasonably modded Mk7 R to out perform your X1.
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Hey now, let's be fair and compare stock to stock or tuned to tuned. I'd expect a reasonably modded Mk7 R to out perform your X1.
They are about the same, both can hit 11 second 1/4 mile with roughly same amount of money spent. Right now the world's fastest Golf R is faster than the world's fastest X1 but it has significantly more money into it and is a purpose built "shop car" instead of a personal car. The Golf R is a great platform and great car for sure, but it is not quite as practical as the X1. I fit a 46 inch assembled rolling tool box in the back of my X1, I could not do that with the Golf. I also prefer the ergonomics and interior of the X1, and I prefer a RWD biased BMW with hydraulic steering to a FWD biased electric steering VW.

I would also argue that the chassis of the X1 is better suited to handle big power compared to the Golf R, and nearly every bearing and bushing can be upgraded with competition M3 parts.
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the population of the world in general agrees with me.
It is a sad day when people are so proud of proclaiming their conformity.

It is pretty mind boggling that you think any more than 240 horsepower is useless. You know how you can use 400whp? Or 1000whp even? It's pretty simple - press the accelerator pedal down more than 1/8th of the way.

I use all 500 crank horsepower of my x1 every single day. I use it on the highway, I use it on on-ramps. I use it to pass quickly and safely on one-lane roads, and I use it to haul people and equipment camping without the car feeling like it has 10 horsepower. I use it on Pike's Peak at high elevation, and I use it when towing. I also use it on the road course, drag strip, and on road rallies. I use it when a Porsche 911 Carrera S tries to illegally pass me and fails because he is not expecting 450ft/lbs of torque from an X1.

I also indirectly use it when I go to cars and coffee, and when I meet up with various car clubs. People wouldn't look twice at your 240 horsepower X1, but my 500 horsepower X1 with Stoptechs draws a crowd when they hear the engine note as I downshift and pull in- it is unique and different in a way a 28i can never be. I have met many friends and great people in the car world that I would never have met if I had the 28i because frankly, car enthusiasts don't really care about a 4 cylinder engine putting out 240 horsepower in a SAV. But a 500 horsepower hot hatch set up for the track? Yup - people are interested in that.

I also indirectly "use" the extra power when I smile at the torque at 2krpm, when I hear the smooth engine note, and when I am grateful my engine sounds like a buttery smooth inline 6 instead of a diesel weed wacker.

I also get 28mpg on the highway if I do the speed limit (it happens occasionally), which frankly is 1-2mpg at best off from the greatly compromised 4 cylinder engine. Nobody is getting their claimed EPA ratings with it, just look at all of the complaint threads.

Basically, if you don't understand how more than 240 horsepower is usable, you should probably get out more.

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Hey now, let's be fair and compare stock to stock or tuned to tuned. I'd expect a reasonably modded Mk7 R to out perform your X1.
Of course, the X1 is a 3800 lb. pope mobile!

But I wasn't drawing a comparison to anything. He said a Golf R (which wasn't even close to being available back then) is faster than your X1. I just correct him as a side-note.

Surprised he even brought up another "useless" car though.
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Of course, the X1 is a 3800 lb. pope mobile!

But I wasn't drawing a comparison to anything. He said a Golf R (which wasn't even close to being available back then) is faster than your X1. I just correct him as a side-note.

Surprised he even brought up another "useless" car though.
Stock to Stock they are actually nearly identical. 5.2 vs 5.3 0-60 and 1/4 mile is the same.

People don't understand that the power under the curve of the N55 engine is where the engine really shines. The Golf R engine and N55 don't have a large difference in peak power but look at the curve...the N55 average power over time is significantly higher.
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Stock to Stock they are actually nearly identical. 5.2 vs 5.3 0-60 and 1/4 mile is the same.

People don't understand that the power under the curve of the N55 engine is where the engine really shines. The Golf R engine and N55 don't have a large difference in peak power but look at the curve...the N55 average power over time is significantly higher.
I mean, that's only really looking at straight line. I just think that, in general, if you can get 400 HP out of the Golf R, it's hard to argue that given its weight, CG, etc. it wouldn't be the better (or at least more natural) performing car vs. a stock turbod X1. It's just starting in a better place. No doubt the R won't have the X1s torque curve, but in straight line running, the cars are only operating in their top ends...which arent that far off. The low/mid range power is more beneficial on the street, or the occasional low-speed/odd gear corners which see revs fall lower than they would in an all-out sprint. Anyway, I think we'll see DSG Golf R's solidly in the 4s 0-60.

But again, no need to turn this into an X1 vs. Golf R competition. And not to take anything away from the X1...which is a neat car simply because it's really just an E90..carrying all of those advantages with it, along with an engine that is 50% larger.
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