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      03-09-2018, 02:23 PM   #1
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Got a good look at the M3 fighter with 505 HP! Msrp $81k
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I've seen a few on the roads. Nice looking car.

Sat in some of the lower end models and they were just horrid, but with some options the interior becomes respectable.
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      03-09-2018, 04:27 PM   #4
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The CCB option on this car is $3k less than the M3/4.
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Does anyone know what the warranty is like? The need for complete and lengthy coverage for an Alfa is key.
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Does anyone know what the warranty is like? The need for complete and lengthy coverage for an Alfa is key.
This is important to know, as you'll want to get to know the service advisor on a first name basis. And be prepared to drive a Chrysler Town and Country as your loaner quite frequently.
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I have seen so few on the road...is that because they aren’t producing many or aren’t sells many? And I live in Dallas where nice euro cars are a dime a dozen.

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This is important to know, as you'll want to get to know the service advisor on a first name basis. And be prepared to drive a Chrysler Town and Country as your loaner quite frequently.
What -- no cinquecento?
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I have seen so few on the road...is that became they aren’t producing many or aren’t sells many? And I live in Dallas where nice euro cars are a dime a dozen.
They only came back to the states recently so it will take a few months to see more alfas on the road.
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      03-10-2018, 12:34 PM   #11
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Alfa’s badge is glorious.
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looks and goes nicely but inside its nice that its still an Alfa.. in one of the test car didnt want to start after some time without showing and faults.. great hehe..
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Looks are subjective. I think it looks ~okay~. Not buying an okay looking car. The profile view is great. The front looks like it’s already been wrecked. 2 centavos.
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See these on the road more often than M3's. It has almost zero road presence compared to any other sedan. Reminds me of a Kia optima to be honest although I do think the interior is unique and attractive.
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Got a good look at the M3 fighter with 505 HP! Msrp $81k
I know where this is and I also happen to know the dealership that is pushing them.

Rusnak Pasadena has, last I checked, 20+ 2017 of Giulia's left. 3-4 QV's in 2017 because they cannot sell them. Seen 1 QV in Pasadena, 3 Giulia's in around where I live.

My connections with Rusnak has been telling me to wait. Alfa doesn't lease well, which is a damn shame since I wanted one as a DD to see how it is like for 2-3 years. Personally, I don't think the Giulia QV is worth the MSRP tag, car isn't bad. There is too much unknown for me about the car. I prefer getting something true and tested like a BMW M, or Benz AMG over a Alfa QV.

P.S. I think the CCB's on Alfa are slightly different, hence the huge price difference but I'm not sure 100% so don't quote me.
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I know where this is and I also happen to know the dealership that is pushing them.

Rusnak Pasadena has, last I checked, 20+ 2017 of Giulia's left. 3-4 QV's in 2017 because they cannot sell them. Seen 1 QV in Pasadena, 3 Giulia's in around where I live.

My connections with Rusnak has been telling me to wait. Alfa doesn't lease well, which is a damn shame since I wanted one as a DD to see how it is like for 2-3 years. Personally, I don't think the Giulia QV is worth the MSRP tag, car isn't bad. There is too much unknown for me about the car.
Might be able to negotiate a better price if they aren't moving them. $81K does seem a bit steep, that's more than an M3/4. It does have more power but to compete against the BMW juggernaut you need a better price too. You can probably get it for a lot less than MSRP.
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Might be able to negotiate a better price if they aren't moving them. $81K does seem a bit steep, that's more than an M3/4. It does have more power but to compete against the BMW juggernaut you need a better price too. You can probably get it for a lot less than MSRP.
HP isn't everything. The AMG can tell you that.

Even though the Giulia QV is supposed to be lighter in weight, it still barely (and not even all the time) defeats a F8x in most tests. You are talking about a F8x chassis that has been out the earliest and the longest too, not to mention down 50 - 60 HP depending on which model we are speaking about.

Alfa had a lot of time to do their research, yet they didn't completely do it right. Which seems odd to me.

MSRP or price, yeah if I really did want to, I would but the Giulia QV lease is actually worse than a Benz C63S. Just keep that in mind, a Benz never lease well and you are generally looking at 1.3k monthly payment at the very best for a C63S. A Giulia QV sits at 1.5k monthly on average, that is crazy steep.

Like the recent Honda Accords, they are great cars but they aren't selling because of their lease and price. Car manufacturers like to believe if the car is generally better, they would sell better than their competition, that isn't always true no matter how much Honda tries to spin it in the media. There are reasons why Camry is beating Accords by a good margin. Monthly matters to people, a small unnoticeable difference between cars means little to the common buyer.
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I like the front end & wheels. Haven't sat in one, but $81k = I'm not interested
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I probably would have gotten it if it had a 6 year 100k mile warranty bumper to bumper.
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It’ll take a cultural shift. People are creatures of habit so straying away from the norm doesn’t happen often. I bet this thing is great.
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I like the front end & wheels. Haven't sat in one, but $81k = I'm not interested
That's just the reality now. Most M3/4s moderately equipped are $80k. The C63 AMG is the same. Why would the Alpha be any cheaper for what it delivers? The only cars that can be price competitive are domestics, which have a different brand appeal than the Euros. IMHO Japanese cars have a problem with this segment, but they seem to be doing just fine in the lower price point vehicles. At the >$70k range, Euros can command that price.

That being said, it's such a risk to get into an Alpha at this point, and it showing. These aren't flying off the lot. Those of us in the market tend to stick with what's known, for better or worse. I hope Alpha sticks with it and makes a reliable car that will sell, because it can already perform.
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