Who says the N20 can't perform?

[Ex-One]

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[Grovsnus]

Originally Posted by Ex-One

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Close to six seconds on a rolling start is not in any way impressive.
And this was a rolling start, as you can see from the speedometer going down towards zero but not quite reaching it.

[Ex-One]

Originally Posted by Grovsnus

Close to six seconds on a rolling start is not in any way impressive.
And this was a rolling start, as you can see from the speedometer going down towards zero but not quite reaching it.

Rolling starts are slower 0-60 times for most vehicles...especially AWD.

Those with a clutch or launch control will be much faster doing it that way vs. a rolling start.


So no you are incorrect actually.

Rolling or not rolling under 6 seconds in a 3700 lb vehicle driven by 4 cylinders is impressive.

[Grovsnus]

Originally Posted by Ex-One

Rolling starts are slower 0-60 times for most vehicles...especially AWD.

True for standards, but not for automatics where you can't drop the clutch. There, a rolling start actually helps.
You won't get a rolling start on the drag strip.

Originally Posted by Ex-One

Rolling or not rolling under 6 seconds in a 3700 lb vehicle driven by 4 cylinders is impressive.

For a tuned car? I'd guess it's about what an untuned Evo or WRX with Chris Farley as a passenger would get.
Don't get me wrong, the 28i is a great car, and sporty too, for being a crossover. With some mods, the X1 could quite possibly even be a good rally car, unlike most BMWs. But on the strip, you need to mod it to race against unmoddeds, and that's just not fair to the 28i.

[Ex-One]

Yeah I agree it's not the best 4 cylinder out there but I still think it is impressive.

Not sure many 28i owners are looking to track their cars in races.

More likely to want to merge onto highways quickly after soccer practice.

[Grovsnus]

Originally Posted by Ex-One

Yeah I agree it's not the best 4 cylinder out there but I still think it is impressive.

It might be the best 4 cylinder out there for a crossover.
(Q5 owners might disagree, of course.)

[Lucky13]

March issue of Car and Driver said it was the better than the Q5. X3 was 0-60 in 6.2 and Q5 in 6.9, quarter mile in X3 14.8 and Q5 in 15.3. Basically the same transmission.

[HBWT]

I know that my X1 is much quicker than my 3.2 Q5.

[inthemovie]

The 4 cylinder is great engine. I traded a Z4 3.5 for a Z4 with the 4 cylinder and 8 speed auto. The 4 cylinder Z4 is about 200 pounds less weight than the 6 cylinder turbo Z4 and the 0-60 on old Z4 5.0 sec. vs 5.6 sec. on the new 4 cylinder Z4. I am sold on the 4 cylinder I love it. Now I just picked up 2014 X1 with 4 cylinder.

[Ex-One]

Originally Posted by Grovsnus

It might be the best 4 cylinder out there for a crossover.
(Q5 owners might disagree, of course.)

One I am curious to drive is the 250 hp turbo boxer engine on the new Subaru Foresters.

Pretty impressive figures on that one as well.

[inthemovie]

Originally Posted by Ex-One

One I am curious to drive is the 250 hp turbo boxer engine on the new Subaru Foresters.

Pretty impressive figures on that one as well.

I picked up this, its not good 200HP needs a turbo. Boxer engine has flat spot around 4000RPM

[Teemo Panda]

The N20 is already an impressive engine!

I wonder what will happen if the M-Division tinkers with it?
I am hoping that the result will be a 400HP/500 TQ 4 Banger!

[Naambezet]

Originally Posted by inthemovie

The 4 cylinder is great engine. I traded a Z4 3.5 for a Z4 with the 4 cylinder and 8 speed auto. The 4 cylinder Z4 is about 200 pounds less weight than the 6 cylinder turbo Z4 and the 0-60 on old Z4 5.0 sec. vs 5.6 sec. on the new 4 cylinder Z4. I am sold on the 4 cylinder I love it. Now I just picked up 2014 X1 with 4 cylinder.

And another plusside of the 4 cil in the Z4 is that you have a mid engined car now

[inthemovie]

Originally Posted by Naambezet

And another plusside of the 4 cil in the Z4 is that you have a mid engined car now

Yes, the 4 cylinder Z4 handles much better than the one I traded in plus it feels just as fast.

[Mtpisgah]

0-60 has always been meaningless to me. How often do you punch it froma dead stop? I am more interested in something like 40-70 so I know how quick I can merge into traffic on the interstate.

[Grovsnus]

Originally Posted by Mtpisgah

0-60 has always been meaningless to me. How often do you punch it froma dead stop?

Every weekday morning, making a left turn from a stop sign onto a road where most people do 60. There is a hell specifically for those who turn onto a road without adjusting to the speed, making others brake.

Then there's the timed lights on my way home, where I have about five seconds from one light turns green until the next light a stone toss up the road turns red. They are that way to accommodate Z traffic going across from one street to the other, which is the bulk of the traffic.

Anything else you wanted to know?

[Mtpisgah]

Originally Posted by Grovsnus

Every weekday morning, making a left turn from a stop sign onto a road where most people do 60. There is a hell specifically for those who turn onto a road without adjusting to the speed, making others brake.

Then there's the timed lights on my way home, where I have about five seconds from one light turns green until the next light a stone toss up the road turns red. They are that way to accommodate Z traffic going across from one street to the other, which is the bulk of the traffic.

Anything else you wanted to know?

There is a special place in hell for those who don't let others into traffic. Also, if you are having to punch it on a daily basis like that then you need to find another way to work.

If they are timed that way then it is for a purpose...safety. Don't be an ass and try to make every green light as it is dangerous. A few more minutes to your commute won't kill you, as opposed to the way you apparently drive.

Anything else you want to throw out there?

[paradoxical3]

Originally Posted by Mtpisgah

If they are timed that way then it is for a purpose...safety.
Anything else you want to throw out there?

Not where red light cameras are installed. Google it. The current scandal in Florida is one of hundreds of examples.

[Grovsnus]

Originally Posted by Mtpisgah

There is a special place in hell for those who don't let others into traffic.

You expect a row of cars who have the right of way doing sixty to slam their brakes to let someone who waits at a stop sign at the other side of the road enter? Maybe it works that way in SC, but I highly doubt it.

Originally Posted by Mtpisgah

Also, if you are having to punch it on a daily basis like that then you need to find another way to work.

Sure thing. I'll go right out and buy that helicopter.

Originally Posted by Mtpisgah

If they are timed that way then it is for a purpose...safety.

No, I already stated the purpose - the main East/West traffic does a Z at that point, and the lights are adjusted to maximize the flowthrough, and prevent clogging of the intersection. The traffic going North/South is much lighter, and doesn't get this benefit.
Safety has nothing to do with it - maximizing throughput does.

Originally Posted by Mtpisgah

Don't be an ass and try to make every green light as it is dangerous.

What, exactly, is the danger in doing 0-40 quickly where I'm allowed to do so, with good visibility, and the only other traffic that might be there is if someone runs a red light that's been red for quite a while?
Please be specific, cause I'd like to hear this.

Originally Posted by Mtpisgah

A few more minutes to your commute won't kill you, as opposed to the way you apparently drive.

I'm 48. The only accident I've been in was 20 years ago, hitting a deer at 5 AM one morning. It wasn't worse for wear than it jumped off, all four legs working. The damage to the car was three hairs stuck between the headlight and hood. What's your record like, since you feel entitled to lecture me?

Acceleration isn't dangerous, despite what most Americans think. Sure, unlike speed, you can feel it, but it's the speed you build up and don't feel that's dangerous, whether it takes you 6 or 60 seconds to reach it. I'm much more worried about the drivers that don't understand the dangers of speed and inertia.

[Grovsnus]

Originally Posted by paradoxical3

Not where red light cameras are installed. Google it. The current scandal in Florida is one of hundreds of examples.

In this case it's neither for safety nor a red light camera squeeze. It's simply to maximize throughput where the main road shifts up one street, and the low amount of traffic going other directions have to put up with "odd" intervals.

[Mtpisgah]

Originally Posted by Grovsnus

You expect a row of cars who have the right of way doing sixty to slam their brakes to let someone who waits at a stop sign at the other side of the road enter? Maybe it works that way in SC, but I highly doubt it.

I have never had a problem getting I to a row of traffic but then again, I choose my routes so I d t have to deal with traffic like that.


Sure thing. I'll go right out and buy that helicopter.

Cool, will you take me for a ride.


No, I already stated the purpose - the main East/West traffic does a Z at that point, and the lights are adjusted to maximize the flowthrough, and prevent clogging of the intersection. The traffic going North/South is much lighter, and doesn't get this benefit.
Safety has nothing to do with it - maximizing throughput does.

Safety is the root of all traffic control devices.


What, exactly, is the danger in doing 0-40 quickly where I'm allowed to do so, with good visibility, and the only other traffic that might be there is if someone runs a red light that's been red for quite a while?
Please be specific, cause I'd like to hear this.

In SC it could be considered an "improper start". I have two friends who have been stopped, and one ticketed, for it.

I'm 48. The only accident I've been in was 20 years ago, hitting a deer at 5 AM one morning. It wasn't worse for wear than it jumped off, all four legs working. The damage to the car was three hairs stuck between the headlight and hood. What's your record like, since you feel entitled to lecture me?

I am 42 and have been in two accidents, neither of which was my fault.

Acceleration isn't dangerous, despite what most Americans think. Sure, unlike speed, you can feel it, but it's the speed you build up and don't feel that's dangerous, whether it takes you 6 or 60 seconds to reach it. I'm much more worried about the drivers that don't understand the dangers of speed and inertia.

As a civil engineer who has designed roads and intersections before, I understand all kinds of things about speed and inertia. High speeds and fast accelerations are more likely to be dangerous than moderate speeds and accelerations.

I am done here because neither of us will win this discussion. The next time I am in Hartford or Cheshire for work as i am a few times a year, I will look you up and we can have a beer.

[Ex-One]

If you are first in line at a light...punching it to get away from the traffic behind you and having open road in front and behind you...is safer than sticking with the traffic flow.

My comma button is not working.

Thought I would share that

It is also wise to know the limits of your car when it is safe to do so by feeling it out.

How fast can it accelerate?
How quick can it stop?
How hard can it corner?
How do wet roads affect this performance?

Once you know these things you can predict the outcome of situations more accurately and increase your odds of avoiding the accident in the first place.