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      04-05-2015, 06:46 PM   #23
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Dang! what a fox, so hot. But how did we start yapping about F1 politics when you show a babe, one of you may be playing with Barbie's instead of GI Joes, lol.
Aaaaand with that this thread is back on target! "Pointy elbow" crowd, get lost!!
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What about "pay to drive" is so wrong re: Ms. Jorda? That approach to participating on an F1 team is not new. (http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/21194933) Indeed, some very successful F1 drivers began their careers as "pay drivers."
  • Niki Lauda
  • Michael Schumacher
  • Fernando Alonso
  • Vitaly Petrov
  • Sergio Pérez
  • Pastor Maldonado
  • Bruno Senna
Besides, Lotus F1 is a new team. Odds are they need all the funding they can come by despite being owned by a Luxembourg venture capital firm. Indeed, Formula 1 racing is very much a corporate enterprise, and accordingly it applies a corporate business model.

It's naive to think that a corporate business model requires winning races. To the contrary, such endeavors need to generate cash flows and earn profits. If handing a seat on a test team to a lowly paid or unpaid driver in exchange for tidy sums of otherwise free financing doesn't make good business sense as a tactic for achieving near term business goals, then what on Earth does?

It's easy to sit before one's computer screen and write posts on B-posts that have romantic notions of sporting competition and podium glory underpinning them. Considering the longer term implications of bringing in a driver like Ms. Jorda are most certainly things that have crossed the minds of many an F1 Team owner. Regardless of the potential longer term consequences, the fact remains that a business must survive and prosper in the short term for "the long term" to ever arrive at all.

With regard to Ms. Jorda's specific appointment, I see the outcry against it as little more than sexism. Nonetheless, she's now on an F1 team. I suppose we'll just have to wait and see whether she ever competes in an F1 race and performs admirably.

All the best.
The key point you seem to miss is the 'untalented' comment - all of these other drivers demonstrated winning ability very early on whilst Jorda's driving record to date is truly dismal - basically has not won anything nor appears to show any promise of getting close to a podium. Thanks of the lecture on corporate business models :roll eyes:, but F1 teams are in the business to win as that is the #1 means of maximum publicity and profit - to think otherwise is truly naive. For me its about credibility and in this case a business direction that I certainly do not champion but to each their own.
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The key point you seem to miss is the 'untalented' comment - all of these other drivers demonstrated winning ability very early on whilst Jorda's driving record to date is truly dismal - basically has not won anything nor appears to show any promise of getting close to a podium. Thanks of the lecture on corporate business models :roll eyes:, but F1 teams are in the business to win as that is the #1 means of maximum publicity and profit - to think otherwise is truly naive. For me its about credibility and in this case a business direction that I certainly do not champion but to each their own.
Seriously "guys", are we still talking about how well she can drive..?
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      04-05-2015, 08:37 PM   #27
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Seriously "guys", are we still talking about how well she can drive..?
Probably knows her way around a stick.
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      04-06-2015, 01:31 AM   #28
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What about "pay to drive" is so wrong re: Ms. Jorda? That approach to participating on an F1 team is not new. (http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/21194933) Indeed, some very successful F1 drivers began their careers as "pay drivers."
  • Niki Lauda
  • Michael Schumacher
  • Fernando Alonso
  • Vitaly Petrov
  • Sergio Prez
  • Pastor Maldonado
  • Bruno Senna
Besides, Lotus F1 is a new team. Odds are they need all the funding they can come by despite being owned by a Luxembourg venture capital firm. Indeed, Formula 1 racing is very much a corporate enterprise, and accordingly it applies a corporate business model.

It's naive to think that a corporate business model requires winning races. To the contrary, such endeavors need to generate cash flows and earn profits. If handing a seat on a test team to a lowly paid or unpaid driver in exchange for tidy sums of otherwise free financing doesn't make good business sense as a tactic for achieving near term business goals, then what on Earth does?

It's easy to sit before one's computer screen and write posts on B-posts that have romantic notions of sporting competition and podium glory underpinning them. Considering the longer term implications of bringing in a driver like Ms. Jorda are most certainly things that have crossed the minds of many an F1 Team owner. Regardless of the potential longer term consequences, the fact remains that a business must survive and prosper in the short term for "the long term" to ever arrive at all.

With regard to Ms. Jorda's specific appointment, I see the outcry against it as little more than sexism. Nonetheless, she's now on an F1 team. I suppose we'll just have to wait and see whether she ever competes in an F1 race and performs admirably.

All the best.
The key point you seem to miss is the 'untalented' comment - all of these other drivers demonstrated winning ability very early on whilst Jorda's driving record to date is truly dismal - basically has not won anything nor appears to show any promise of getting close to a podium. Thanks of the lecture on corporate business models :roll eyes:, but F1 teams are in the business to win as that is the #1 means of maximum publicity and profit - to think otherwise is truly naive. For me its about credibility and in this case a business direction that I certainly do not champion but to each their own.
I would completely agree with you, if she was actually racing.
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Who freakin’ cares how competitive she is in F1! I would rather imagine buying her way in or not she’s probably capable of outdriving most folks on this forum...but that doesn’t matter either. Any woman who loves cars is a winner in my book....Any woman who loves cars and has a passion for driving/racing is like a Mother F$%King unicorn. That’s a winning formula!

And yes she also happens to be easy on the eyes.
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I would completely agree with you, if she was actually racing.
Actually racing?? Or perhaps you mean specifically F1?
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I would completely agree with you, if she was actually racing.
Actually racing?? Or perhaps you mean specifically F1?
Lol I know she races, I meant for Lotus.
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Actually racing?? Or perhaps you mean specifically F1?
Ouch looking at the number of wins and podiums I understand why she is lobbying for an all female F1 championship...

Then about poles...eh nevermind
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Wasn't she already replaced by another reserve/development driver?

Nevertheless, I would co-sign a loan for her.
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Lol I know she races, I meant for Lotus.
Figured - my bad
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