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      10-21-2013, 08:53 PM   #1
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Automobile Magazine- X1 added to fleet

November issue they added a X1 XDrive 28 to their long term fleet for a 12 month test. They didn't really put any miles on it yet just talked about how it drives like the old 3 series which is a good thing.
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      10-21-2013, 09:17 PM   #2
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November issue they added a X1 XDrive 28 to their long term fleet for a 12 month test. They didn't really put any miles on it yet just talked about how it drives like the old 3 series which is a good thing.
Do you know what version it is? Hopefully a M-Sport...I'm tired of all the reviews bagging on the X1 for things that the M-Sport fixes.
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      10-21-2013, 09:41 PM   #3
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Do you know what version it is? Hopefully a M-Sport...I'm tired of all the reviews bagging on the X1 for things that the M-Sport fixes.
Nope, no M Sport.

They opted for the Ultimate Package, Servotronic, Cold Weather Package and Metallic Paint.
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      10-22-2013, 10:21 AM   #4
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Nope, no M Sport.

Awesome, I'm tired of magazines talking about this magical 20/80 power split like it is present in every left turn. By the way, does anyone have side by side experience with it?
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      10-22-2013, 10:24 AM   #5
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Awesome, I'm tired of magazines talking about this magical 20/80 power split like it is present in every left turn. By the way, does anyone have side by side experience with it?
Not sure what you're asking for in terms of side by side experience. I have very limited side by side as I test drove x-lines afew times before getting a M-Sport.

The 20/80 split is very, very real - as is the performance control. I took my M-sport to the track at Mid-Ohio and it behaves like a RWD car and was very fast with little body roll, for what it is. There is no way you could steer with the throttle as effectively without the 20/80 split the m-sport provides. Having driven the x-lines, I wouldn't feel comfortable with that suspension on the track.

But on the flipside, a lot of people will prefer it on the street since it's more comfortable. All depends on your priorities.
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      10-22-2013, 10:48 AM   #6
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I'll just reiterate my disbelief in the 20/80 split. I find it highly improbably that the X1 M Sport has a different power split than the regular xDrive cars. The X5M and X6M don't even have this and it would have limited if any real world advantage over the 40/60 split. There are also absolutely zero mechanical changes listed for the M Sport drivetrain.

I do believe that the Performance Control is more proactive with power distribution, just as it is on the actual M trucks, and suspect this and a poorly written piece of marketing print on the US website are why this belief continues.
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      10-22-2013, 10:49 AM   #7
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I'm unconvinced that oversteer makes for an effective track vehicle. It may be enjoyable - in fact, it IS enjoyable, but it isn't fast.

Edit: Opinion above has since been retracted, but no sense simply deleting it.

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I'm unconvinced that oversteer makes for an effective track vehicle. It may be enjoyable - in fact, it IS enjoyable, but it isn't fast.
Excessive under or oversteer is slow. That's not what we're talking about here.

I'm not a professional driver and I have admittedly limited track experience (two days). But from what I have found - and what my instructor stressed - is that the ability to wind in with the throttle and point the front end in the right direction effectively increases the length of your straights and increases the amount of speed you can carry through the turn and into the straightaway. In the keyhole at mid-ohio for example, if you find yourself drifting out wide, just get on the throttle a bit more and the car will turn in and correct itself. That's not something you can do with a car that understeers or a FWD vehicle. You'll go right off the track, especially in off-camber turns. There is a reason that maybe 10% of the cars you see on the track are FWD (if that) and all the rest are RWD and AWD.

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I'm unconvinced that oversteer makes for an effective track vehicle. It may be enjoyable - in fact, it IS enjoyable, but it isn't fast.
This is an extremely qualified statement. Of course a neutral car is going to be the easiest to drive fast, but something as simple as the ability to transfer more power to the rear like Performance Control can do, will make for a faster track car. The simple fact is that even an sDrive X1 is built to understeer in all but gross levels of over application of the throttle.

AWD does not make for faster track cars in and of itself. I fully believe PDox that the PC makes the M Sport a more enjoyable track car than a non M Sport, independent of the better tires. I do however wonder if an sDrive 35i might be the most enjoyable and quickest, not just from the weight loss.
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      10-22-2013, 10:59 AM   #10
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Excessive under or oversteer is slow. That's not what we're talking about here.
I think you are correct, and I was mistaken. Sorry for deviating from the matter at hand.

In any case - my point is partially invalidated by some of my own experiences - I can induce oversteer on my stock x28i, so of course it can be done with a modified x35i.

I would like to see a 40:60 28i run a slalom or figure 8 or skidpad side by side with a 20:80 28i.
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