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      03-13-2015, 07:24 PM   #1
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X1 w/Dinan vs. GLA 45 AMG: deep thoughts....

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When wife was due for a new car I was originally all lit up about the GLA. I do like the styling and the 45 AMG I drove was pretty sick. Problem was spec'd out as desired is approx $59K. Too steep for her needs.

Our 2015 X1 28i Xdrive Msport, Ultimate, Xenons, HK, 19's, etc is loaded (all but Bermeister), and cost aprox $42K net of disc. That is a $17K delta!

Well, after getting the car Dinan Stage 1 ($1750 with labor), I think the X1 is very close in all aspects (possible exception is brakes?), and the delta is still $15K! The X1 even rides better all around (GLA AMG was harsh/crashy stiff for daily driver!).

Good to feel like I solved for "X" (punn intended!), and saved $15K.
Anyone else have thoughts please chime in.
Not dissing the AMG, it is sick, and if same price probably would dig it, but too $$$!
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Many good points made. I love the gla amg. The only real quality I envy is the styling compared to my X1. To me the X1 is a proper balance between form and function especially when you tune it a bit.
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      03-14-2015, 08:01 AM   #3
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How is it close on the performance/power front? A GLA AMG is trapping like 109 with a sub-13 ET. That's faster than a ~380 HP N55 X1 on a tune only, let alone an N20. Probably takes a tune, intake, I/C and downpipes to get an N55 into the high 12s on 91 or 93. No idea what it takes to get an N20 there...a ton.

Not that I don't think a tuned X1 is a decent alternative, but you're not even close in the performance department.

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      03-14-2015, 09:24 AM   #4
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Canyonblaster I reached a similar conclusion. I bought my absolutely loaded 2015 xDrive28i Msport this past summer with the intention of giving it a tune because I could no longer wait for a Porsche Macan S. There is probably 20-25K delta between those cars and I think our version of the X1 holds up reasonably well. A tad slower, better fuel mileage, a tad smaller...but in the same league from a driver's perspective.

I would guess that the X1 is much more efficient as an all-arounder than a 45 AMG though certainly a tad slower.

Our version of the X1 is a luxury, sport CUV/wagon/hatch sleeper.

I haven't been in one but that GLA45 AMG looks to be quite a bit smaller (less utility for humans and gear) than even the X1. Am I right about that?

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      03-14-2015, 06:58 PM   #5
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Hi Apex,

Appreciate the input. I am totally clueless about drag racing. Never done it and just honestly, have zero interest (but I bet is is fun). I'm sure you're right. The AMG is significantly lighter. I think approx 600 lbs! I bet a stock AMG GLA would spank my X1 in a striaght line. Do you drag strip your X1? Curious how it does? Probabaly a lot of fun.

I am a PCA licensed club racer (spec Boxster series), and a PCA national road course instructor (I currently track a 996 GT3 that is fully built-out for the track - it is fun!).

I guess my thoughts are just that for $15K less, my X1 as it sits isn't far off from the the stock GLA I drove, from the perspective of a daily driver street car, butt dyno, fun factor, etc. A GLA AMG with a tune would probably be really sweet!
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No, not a 1/4 mile guy. Actually a local PCA instructor in SEPA myself.

I was just commenting on the performance aspect of the comparison. It's not in the same league as the AMG. With a tune, the N20 X1 would be close to a Macan S, which compares closer to an N55 X1. Not that we don't love our X1s, but the GLA AMG is a much faster car, both in a straight line, and on the track vs. an X1...even the N55. The N20 is in an other zip code on the performance front.

Anyway, I agree the X1 offers a decent bang for the buck, of course. But it seems as though if you were looking for Macan S performance, or something approaching that AMG, you'd have started with the bigger engine. Then again, that means the aging 6 speed.

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Hey Apex,

Wife just came out of a 2015 X1 N55 M sport (buy-back, repeat trans issues). After just a few days in the dinan tuned 2015 X1 N20 M sport, I prefer the wife's new car. Nose feels lighter in corners, love the 8 cog trans. It is WAY too quiet though...

What X1 do you drive/have, is it tuned? Have you PERSONALLY driven the GLA AMG?

I drive a Cayenne GTS. It's heavy but it can tow my GT3 to the track! I like it alot.
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It depends on what you are looking for. Stock for stock, a GLA 45 is faster than a X1. If you are willing to modify, the N55 X1 is easier to make power and can be made faster both in a straight line and around the track than the GLA45 AMG, largely thanks to the fact that 95% of 335i aftermarket parts bolt right on (including suspension upgrades, BBK, power mods, etc.)

If warranty is important to you, it is hard to beat the GLA. If you are the type to mod, the X1 is the choice. I REALLY like the GLA45 amg. It would be my second choice behind the X1, and I prefer the looks by far. But it can't be made quite fast enough for me yet.
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You want fast and cheap, buy a C5. Really nice, low mile examples often sell for less than 20k. They can make all the HP you could ever want, and will be way cheaper to repair, when something breaks. For the price of a GT3, you can have three C5s that can be made faster.
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Hey Apex,

Wife just came out of a 2015 X1 N55 M sport (buy-back, repeat trans issues). After just a few days in the dinan tuned 2015 X1 N20 M sport, I prefer the wife's new car. Nose feels lighter in corners, love the 8 cog trans. It is WAY too quiet though...

What X1 do you drive/have, is it tuned? Have you PERSONALLY driven the GLA AMG?

I drive a Cayenne GTS. It's heavy but it can tow my GT3 to the track! I like it alot.
Yeah, it's a shame that the N55 didn't get the 8 speed. Angering, actually. Glad you like your N20. Probably the better package for most people, unless you're primary focus is straight line performance. You ever tune the N55? You may have been willing to deal with the added weight and old trans if you had. It's a pretty cool little sleeper...

Yes, wife and I drove the AMG twice. But again, I'm only commenting on performance numbers here. My opinion on a test drive, or a butt dyno, doesn't change facts. Trapping 109 is seriously fast.

Currently we own an E46 m3, a ~400 bhp N54 135, and a ~380 bhp N55 X1. The tuned N55 still isn't trapping 109.

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It depends on what you are looking for. Stock for stock, a GLA 45 is faster than a X1. If you are willing to modify, the N55 X1 is easier to make power and can be made faster both in a straight line and around the track than the GLA45 AMG, largely thanks to the fact that 95% of 335i aftermarket parts bolt right on (including suspension upgrades, BBK, power mods, etc.)
The N55, sure. Point is, we're talking about the N20. You're going to have a heck of a time getting an N20 to trap 109 with what's available in the aftermarket now...not even sure it's possible.

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Yeah, it's a shame that the N55 didn't get the 8 speed. Angering, actually. Glad you like your N20. Probably the better package for most people, unless you're primary focus is straight line performance. You ever tune the N55? You may have been willing to deal with the added weight and old trans if you had. It's a pretty cool little sleeper...

Yes, wife and I drove the AMG twice. But again, I'm only commenting on performance numbers here. My opinion on a test drive, or a butt dyno, doesn't change facts. Trapping 109 is seriously fast.

Currently we own an E46 m3, a ~400 bhp N54 135, and a ~380 bhp N55 X1. The tuned N55 still isn't trapping 109.



The N55, sure. Point is, we're talking about the N20. You're going to have a heck of a time getting an N20 to trap 109 with what's available in the aftermarket now...not even sure it's possible.
I trapped 112 on stock turbo with my tuned n55, 110 on just 93 pump gas. not sure why yours didnt. With an 800 buck turbo upgrade I'm at 117mph.
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I trapped 112 on stock turbo with my tuned n55, 110 on just 93 pump gas. not sure why yours didnt. With an 800 buck turbo upgrade I'm at 117mph.
I was talking about a tune/piggy only (really talking about an OTS setup, like a JB4, Dinan, etc.), so it equates to what the OP is talking about.

You trapped 110 on 93 and JUST a tune, all else stock?

If so, that's great to know. From what I'd seen, guys weren't seeing that kind of trap without exhaust/E85, etc. More like 105-106...which makes more sense given about 380ish HP and the car's weight.
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Stock they're as high as 102, 106 with a tune only is not uncommon.
http://m.caranddriver.com/bmw/x1#.
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106 with a tune only is not uncommon.
That's my understanding as well.
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