World Premiere: The BMW Vision Neue Klasse X.

[Tomduck]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

People have been complaining about big grilles here for years and they go back to classic E30 style and people still complain. Designing automobiles today has to be one of the more thankless jobs these says having to deal with today's outrage culture. I love it as it's unmistakably BMW and strikes a nice balance between past and present.

People like to moan, just look at Twitter where for no reason whatsoever apart from apparent boredom they knock everything down for the fun of it. Extremely sad part of many people’s physiological makeup.

[Leinad85008]

I like everything about it except for the pig nose front end.

[sahajesh]

Originally Posted by Windshieldfarmer

Are you referencing Tesla only or BMW also. The Neue Klasse also appears to have minimal physical buttons. The industry is going this direction. My 87 year old father didn’t want push button start on his new car, but he was forced to acquiesce to a new reality. This will likely happen with physical buttons….on all cars. Resistance is Futile!!

Meet the Macan EV - buttons for HVAC.

[G30M]

is it trying to be a Hyundai? coz I'd rather have the Ioniq 5N

[pikkagtr]

🤔

[VANOS]

Originally Posted by pikkagtr

🤔

Now it’s a smiling beaver, great job BMW 😂

[LuisBoston]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

What is the point of iX, XM and now this one? How many Electrical SUV is needed ?

How much ICE SUVs are needed (X1, X2, X3, X4, X5, X6, X7, oh and the XM)?

EV is the future.

[LuisBoston]

Originally Posted by Windshieldfarmer

You people make me sad…I’m 64 and plan to embrace the new technology and all the changes that are coming. Can’t fight the future! My neighbor purchased a restored 69 Chevelle…once a car of my dreams. My gosh I forgot how poorly they ride and drive…the future is better than the past (regarding cars)

My FIL has a '57 Chevy. That thing is a dog.

In the 1950s, folks were embracing the future, progress. Now a whole segment of the population is completely against it.

I think people who complain and yearn for the past just want their youth back.

(fwiw I’d like my youth back too, but with the knowledge and buying power older age has provided me - and I’d like the tech too)

[M3JetPilot]

Can we all admit the big grille era is dying? It was a fad, it ruined the G80, and it obviously isn’t something BMW is going to use in the future. Big out of proportion grilles suck and always have, regardless of how many people got use to them. Not saying these grilles are beautiful, they aren’t, but if you turn off the light outline it’s not horrible.

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by M3JetPilot

Can we all admit the big grille era is dying? It was a fad, it ruined the G80, and it obviously isn’t something BMW is going to use in the future. Big out of proportion grilles suck and always have, regardless of how many people got use to them. Not saying these grilles are beautiful, they aren’t, but if you turn off the light outline it’s not horrible.

G80/82 will post the highest M3/4 sales of any generation … some people feel very strongly about this grille situation, but it’s obviously not hurting sales and it’s a matter of opinion… for those who don’t like it they have retrofitted an aftermarket solution.

And the grilles are disappearing not because you thought they sucked but because it’s an EV- doesn’t need cooling. And that definitely sucks. The hybrid M3 will be a tragedy. (But it will still need cooling.)

[M3JetPilot]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

G80/82 will post the highest M3/4 sales of any generation … some people feel very strongly about this grille situation, but it’s obviously not hurting sales and it’s a matter of opinion… for those who don’t like it they have retrofitted an aftermarket solution.

And the grilles are disappearing not because you thought they sucked but because it’s an EV- doesn’t need cooling. And that definitely sucks. The hybrid M3 will be a tragedy. (But it will still need cooling.)

Sales say nothing about a car’s legacy or its styling. Many horrible looking cars have had high sales numbers. The G80 has been ugly from the start and is a styling choice that has taken time for many to get use to. That people eventually accept it doesn’t make it a good design. And it isn’t just the EV’s that aren’t getting the big grille. The reality is the G80 grille, or something similar, isn’t showing up across the BMW brand, EV or not. Let’s just admit what the G80 grille is. An experimental design that didn’t work.

[M340I///M]

That side view is husky! The rear looks clean and the front looks mean, like a pig’s snout frowning ! In a good way.

Love it! Hope they don’t change too much of the design when it comes out. Definitely proud to be a BMW owner!

A new Era and I’m all for it!

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by M3JetPilot

Sales say nothing about a car’s legacy or its styling…. Let’s just admit what the G80 grille is. An experimental design that didn’t work.

Disagree on both points.

The grill design enabled M racing to improve both professionally as with the GT3 - keep in mind the homologation process (and it has been quite successful) - and in amateur track days. It is cool - pun intended - to see the effectiveness on water temp with the big grille. And oil temp management.

Secondly, sales determines every success, not how you feel about the design, at least in a mass produced car with no real production constraint like a 1M or M2CS or M5CS. Sales are objective measures.

If it “didn’t work,” then they would have changed it. They didn’t in the LCI. Could it look better? Yes - so a lot of owners modify. The GT3 looks incredible.

[M3JetPilot]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

Disagree on both points.

The grill design enabled M racing to improve both professionally as with the GT3 - keep in mind the homologation process (and it has been quite successful) - and in amateur track days. It is cool - pun intended - to see the effectiveness on water temp with the big grille. And oil temp management.

Secondly, sales determines every success, not how you feel about the design, at least in a mass produced car with no real production constraint like a 1M or M2CS or M5CS.

If it “didn’t work,” then they would have changed it. They didn’t in the LCI. Could it look better? Yes - so a lot of owners modify. The GT3 looks incredible.

There are many grille designs that could have enabled that level of cooling. It didn’t have to be a 7 sided, full verticle, heptagon. That argument has been completely debunked in other forum threads.

As for sales numbers, look at the past M’s. There is no way to tell a legacy based on those numbers. The E30 probably has the most iconic status among the M3’s and it has the lowest production numbers. The F80 has the highest sales and I know of no one, including myself, who would argue it’s the most iconic M3. And I own and love the F80. Sales say nothing about legacy, styling rank, or much else other than effective marketing.

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by M3JetPilot

There are many grille designs that could have enabled that level of cooling. It didn’t have to be a 7 sided, full verticle, heptagon. That argument has been completely debunked in other forum threads.

As for sales numbers, look at the past M’s. There is no way to tell a legacy based on those numbers. The E30 probably has the most iconic status among the M3’s and it has the lowest production numbers. The F80 has the highest sales and I know of no one, including myself, who would argue it’s the most iconic M3. And I own and love the F80. Sales say nothing about legacy, styling rank, or much else other than effective marketing.

I didn’t say it would be the best legacy or most iconic or highest styling rank of every gen. I said the grill is functional and the sales are the objective measure of success and obviously more people like it enough to buy it - esp at these prices - vs the competition and v prior gens. Although I admit population growth and regional growth in demand plays a role.

Anyway, the NK grill doesn’t prove your thesis because no grill is required on an EV. What it does do - and I think we can agree on this - is fix the hideous iX disaster of a grill.

[M2siast]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

G80/82 will post the highest M3/4 sales of any generation … some people feel very strongly about this grille situation, but it’s obviously not hurting sales and it’s a matter of opinion… for those who don’t like it they have retrofitted an aftermarket solution.

And the grilles are disappearing not because you thought they sucked but because it’s an EV- doesn’t need cooling. And that definitely sucks. The hybrid M3 will be a tragedy. (But it will still need cooling.)

Not disagreeing with your premise, but if sales figures have never been posted, isn’t it hard to say sales are higher for this generation?

[Blue Angel]

Originally Posted by VANOS

Why is BMW making their cars so ugly! YOU DID SO WELL WITH THE 5, then this crap! 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

I hope you’re referring to the F10 and G30, not the G60!!!

[M3JetPilot]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

I didn’t say it would be the best legacy or most iconic or highest styling rank of every gen. I said the grill is functional and the sales are the objective measure of success and obviously more people like it enough to buy it - esp at these prices - vs the competition and v prior gens. Although I admit population growth and regional growth in demand plays a role.

Anyway, the NK grill doesn’t prove your thesis because no grill is required on an EV. What it does do - and I think we can agree on this - is fix the hideous iX disaster of a grill.

Fair enough, I can definitely agree about the iX. 👍

[DroMike]

The outside architecture isn't aesthetically bad; but it's is too bare bones for me inside. If it were a chair, it would be kind of like a plain and stark Danish wooden chair as opposed to a comfy recliner with character from padding or shiny nail heads. But of course it will be new and faddish, so will sell on that alone in a few years for folks who must have the latest thing (like Tesla's monstrosity pickup). Otherwise, I AM looking forward to full and independent 3rd-party reviews and driving tests and am certainly open to revising my opinion should I see form and function working together efficiently.

[Bostongio]

I can't believe BMW is removing the iDrive controller down by the gear selector in NK. They really are going all-in on the sh*tty Tesla-ization of interiors.

https://www.motor1.com/news/713329/n...t-has-buttons/

"We listened really carefully to what customers gave us during our customer clinics, and we got that feedback," a BMW representative told Motor1 during the Vision Neue Klasse X media preview in Portugal. "We will not have the iDrive controller in the car anymore, I think this is clear. We have that wonderful multifunctional steering wheel and the panoramic vision stage, but for other functionalities we will have knobs where it is necessary. It’s not a knob- or control-element-free car, that’s not our vision."

[VANOS]

Originally Posted by Blue Angel

I hope you’re referring to the F10 and G30, not the G60!!!

The last best 5 was the G30 (including the M5)

This new path BMW is taking is just utter crap. The competition will throw BMW out of the water soon, mark my words.

[Quadruple VANOS]

I find one of the most disappointing aspects of BMW EVs is the potential lack of having genuine leather upholstery available. BMW you’re a luxury brand; cost cutting synthetic materials don’t convey luxury.