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      02-28-2013, 06:36 AM   #45
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      02-28-2013, 09:15 AM   #46
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Bluff called.
Hehe, that was destined to fail. Having owned both a 135i and an X1 35i, I find it impossible to think that someone would think the X1 would do straight line or track performance better than the 1er. The E82 has 500 fewer pounds, larger and better brakes, more efficient power delivery and a mountain more available aftermarket suspension stuff.
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      02-28-2013, 09:30 AM   #47
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Engines vary, perhaps you got an especially poor X1 35i example and own a particularly strong E92. Also new engine and software vs broken in. In any case I personally don't find my 35i sluggish or rough (all paddle shifting) despite the fact that I came from and still have an M3 (not to mention other higher HP cars). After a month or so still finding it a well sorted, practical and enjoyable ride. Hopefully you can have some better seat time in one in different conditions but of course opinions differ in any case

Seriously considered the XC60 (and X3) but that higher bigger numb steering SUV experience lost out to the more fun X1
Agreed. I'm going to test drive another one at a different dealership that's in the suburbs with some access to roads where the speed limit is above 35 mph. Plus, it will be during the day without rush hour traffic.

I've seen good things about the XC60 R but it's a bit too big for me.
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Sounds like fun! My 135 runs a JB4 stage 2 with meth, KV3's, Michelin super sports and the usual M3 subframe bushings and control arms mods.
That's great, my X1 runs JB4 stage 2 ISO with flexfuel wires, e85 running 18PSI boost, ER Chargepipe, and Pirelli P Zero's.

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Hehe, that was destined to fail. Having owned both a 135i and an X1 35i, I find it impossible to think that someone would think the X1 would do straight line or track performance better than the 1er. The E82 has 500 fewer pounds, larger and better brakes, more efficient power delivery and a mountain more available aftermarket suspension stuff.
Notice I said "my" X1? Mine is most definitely faster than most 135's, including Mr Marcus's. E85 is a hell of a thing.
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Notice I said "my" X1? Mine is most definitely faster than most 135's.
Are you sure? Do you mean factory 135i's? There are plenty of fast 1ers out there, many with N54's. If you're just talking straight line, it's slightly plausible that you could have a quicker car, but in terms of handling, I'd be nearly certain that a mildly tuned 1er will have a large advantage over nearly anything done to an X1.

I'll take a 500 pound lighter car that's much lower to the ground with better tires and a more sorted suspension every time.
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Are you sure? Do you mean factory 135i's? There are plenty of fast 1ers out there, many with N54's. If you're just talking straight line, it's slightly plausible that you could have a quicker car, but in terms of handling, I'd be nearly certain that a mildly tuned 1er will have a large advantage over nearly anything done to an X1.
Yes, factory 135s. Not denying around a track the 135 is faster. I was more being tongue in cheek than anything. I'm a bit tired of seeing people deride the X1 as pointless or "not being a real BMW" when often the X1 has better steering feel and is faster than the BMW they drive.

The fact of the matter is, the X1 is the perfect only car for a lot of people. Moreover, it's actually completely unique in the marketplace far as I can tell.

The X1 is the only car on the market I could find that satisfied the following criteria:

1. Enough ground clearance to get over 6+ inches of snow, potholes, steep driveway curbs, but not too much ground clearance to the point of a severe handling penalty.

2. Enough straight line speed to beat a Cayenne Turbo or M3 in a straight line with a simple tune. Let's face it - for 99% of people, the most important type of speed is straight line on the road - be it stoplight to stoplight or passing/merging on the highway. The X1 is actually better suited for this kind of driving than even the M3 due to the torque.

3. Enough cargo capacity to make a run to Ikea or home depot. I've already fit an entire Ikea Tobo TV stand in the back of the X1

4. A high quality interior.

5. AWD for inclement weather

Literally no other car - not the M135i, not the WRX STI, not the X3, etc, etc fit these criteria. That's why the X1 will be a great seller in the US - a country where the climate and requirements are very different than other portions of the world.

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Yes, factory 135s. Not denying around a track the 135 is faster. I was more being tongue in cheek than anything.
I respect your enthusiasm, and honestly it's nice to see in an X1 owner. I also think you're fairly safe that the kangaroo rogerer will stay where he is and that this is all internet humor.
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      02-28-2013, 11:36 AM   #52
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Hehe, that was destined to fail. Having owned both a 135i and an X1 35i, I find it impossible to think that someone would think the X1 would do straight line or track performance better than the 1er. The E82 has 500 fewer pounds, larger and better brakes, more efficient power delivery and a mountain more available aftermarket suspension stuff.
Plus, the 135i has that sweet DCT, not like the X1 35i's shitty six speed...

I kid! I kid, people.
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Plus, the 135i has that sweet DCT, not like the X1 35i's shitty six speed...

I kid! I kid, people.
The DCT that slips like crazy at the torque levels running in my X1?
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The DCT that slips like crazy at the torque levels running in my X1?
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Bluff called.
thats a mod list worth bluffing about and is seen very frequently.
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Yes, factory 135s. Not denying around a track the 135 is faster. I was more being tongue in cheek than anything. I'm a bit tired of seeing people deride the X1 as pointless or "not being a real BMW" when often the X1 has better steering feel and is faster than the BMW they drive.

The fact of the matter is, the X1 is the perfect only car for a lot of people. Moreover, it's actually completely unique in the marketplace far as I can tell.

The X1 is the only car on the market I could find that satisfied the following criteria:

1. Enough ground clearance to get over 6+ inches of snow, potholes, steep driveway curbs, but not too much ground clearance to the point of a severe handling penalty.

2. Enough straight line speed to beat a Cayenne Turbo or M3 in a straight line with a simple tune. Let's face it - for 99% of people, the most important type of speed is straight line on the road - be it stoplight to stoplight or passing/merging on the highway. The X1 is actually better suited for this kind of driving than even the M3 due to the torque.

3. Enough cargo capacity to make a run to Ikea or home depot. I've already fit an entire Ikea Tobo TV stand in the back of the X1

4. A high quality interior.

5. AWD for inclement weather

Literally no other car - not the M135i, not the WRX STI, not the X3, etc, etc fit these criteria. That's why the X1 will be a great seller in the US - a country where the climate and requirements are very different than other portions of the world.
beat an m3 with a simple tune ah you got me time to trade in for an x1
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      02-28-2013, 03:48 PM   #57
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beat an m3 with a simple tune ah you got me time to trade in for an x1
Dragtimes.org, my friend. Tuned N55's beat stock M3's in the 1/4 mile consistently and easily. Especially N55's on e85 like mine. My X1 has 150-200lb/ft MORE torque than a stock M3, with equivalent horsepower, AWD for the launch, and only weighs about 200lbs more. Will an M3 be faster from 120mph-170mph? Sure. That's what we call useless speed in the US. The upshot? There isn't a stock M3 in existence that will beat my X1 from a red light, to a merge, or on the highway.
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Do you even read the forums? Tuned N55's beat M3's in the 1/4 mile consistently and easily. Especially N55's on e85 like mine. My X1 has 150-200lb/ft MORE torque than a stock M3, with equivalent horsepower, AWD for the launch, and only weighs about 200lbs more.
that was not my point. If all m3's owners were aiming for a straight line beast we would be in an AMG. M3's are a work of art in every aspect we do not simply look at a 0-60 time and purchase a vehicle. sure you can tune your n55 and potentially make it faster than a m3 but who cares? we have a v8 that revs to 8500 and a driving experience that few cars can match in the price range, and if you wanna go on about your modded x1 then how does your modded x1 fare against a m3 with a ess vt3?
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that was not my point. If all m3's owners were aiming for a straight line beast we would be in an AMG. M3's are a work of art in every aspect we do not simply look at a 0-60 time and purchase a vehicle. sure you can tune your n55 and potentially make it faster than a m3 but who cares? we have a v8 that revs to 8500 and a driving experience that few cars can match in the price range, and if you wanna go on about your modded x1 then how does your modded x1 fare against a m3 with a ess vt3?
That's great! Too bad you're responding to absolutely nothing I even said. If you'd actually taken the time to read, you'd see that I said in a straight line.

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Enough straight line speed to beat a Cayenne Turbo or M3 in a straight line with a simple tune.
Don't take me wrong - a M3 is a much better performance car than my X1! But a stock M3 is not faster in a straight line than a modded X1, 135, or 335. And I can fit furniture in the back. Which is what makes it a very unique car, which was my entire argument (again, if you'd have actually read my post you'd have seen that).
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That's great! Too bad you're responding to absolutely nothing I even said. If you'd actually taken the time to read, you'd see that I said in a straight line.
your being an x1 fan boy right now i have nothing against an x1 its nice, but your arrogance is so dumbfounding and ridiculous when you argue that no stock m3 in existence is faster than your modded x1. Congratulations your modded car can beat a stock car real good comparison einstein. My friends 1995 civic turbo also does that
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your being an x1 fan boy right now i have nothing against an x1 its nice, but your arrogance is so dumbfounding and ridiculous when you argue that no stock m3 in existence is faster than your modded x1. Congratulations your modded car can beat a stock car real good comparison einstein. My friends 1995 civic turbo also does that
You're really having some difficulty comprehending, so I'll try to speak simpler. I'm a huge M3 fan. It's in a totally different performance class than the X1, which is not a sports car (not that the M3 really is either, but you know what I mean).

I'm just saying a M3 not faster in a straight line than a modded N55 (until ridiculous, triple digit speeds at which point the aerodynamic and gearing advantages of the M3 will have it pull ahead). I don't get what's the big deal about saying that? No need for insults, especially when you're the one having difficulty reading and going off on all kinds of tangential red herrings.

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Hilarious.
Facts are a bitch:

http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW--135i-Drag-Racing.html

http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW--335i-Drag-Racing.html

http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW--M3-Drag-Racing.html

M3 is clearly the better overall car. M3 is clearly the nicer car. M3 is clearly slower in a straight line than a n55 powered car with $400 of mods.
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