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      09-28-2012, 11:38 PM   #1
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Auto Start/Stop, can you turn it off by default?

I know there is a button to deactivate, but can you program it so it is off by default?

LA traffic is really bad, it's better to have it off most of the time and let me choose when I want to use it.
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      09-29-2012, 12:50 AM   #2
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sigh.. same thing with me .. picked up my x1 today.. and realized that the auto on / off during traffic is so annoying.
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      09-29-2012, 03:06 AM   #3
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yes... now BMW dealer have new SW caled "last used mode" this SW hold deactivate auto/start stop system

but this SW only for US not for EU :-(

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      09-29-2012, 03:25 AM   #4
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yes... now BMW dealer have new SW caled "last used mode" this SW hold deactivate auto/start stop system

but this SW only for US not for EU :-(
What is SW?
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      09-29-2012, 05:22 AM   #5
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yes... now BMW dealer have new SW caled "last used mode" this SW hold deactivate auto/start stop system

but this SW only for US not for EU :-(
What is SW?

Software.
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      09-29-2012, 06:59 PM   #6
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auto stop/start

Just test drove an X 1 in NY today and there is no button to turn it off like there is in the 3 series. Dealer said only cars with the button to turn it off can get a permanent fix.
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      09-29-2012, 07:18 PM   #7
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Just test drove an X 1 in NY today and there is no button to turn it off like there is in the 3 series. Dealer said only cars with the button to turn it off can get a permanent fix.
There is a button to turn it off. It's in front of the gear shift and reads "A OFF" (there is a circle around the letter "A"). Auto start/stop only comes on the 28i versions of the X1 (both sDrive and xDrive) as a standard feature. I have a 2013 X1 xDrive 28i and have used the button many times.
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      09-29-2012, 10:20 PM   #8
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yes... now BMW dealer have new SW caled "last used mode" this SW hold deactivate auto/start stop system

but this SW only for US not for EU :-(

I really hope this is truly that the button will remember the previous setting rather than me pressing it each time after starting. Can anyone verify this? I just order mine today.
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      10-01-2012, 09:04 PM   #9
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Some dealers are clueless

I called a dealer in NJ about the update 3 weeks ago they had no idea what I was talking about.

I don't mind it, wife hates it.
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      10-01-2012, 09:13 PM   #10
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I really hope this is truly that the button will remember the previous setting rather than me pressing it each time after starting. Can anyone verify this? I just order mine today.
The default setting is "on". You have to have the service dept reprogram it, but they will do it free of charge. Once reprogrammed it will default to the last setting, so once you turn it off, it will stay off.
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      10-01-2012, 09:22 PM   #11
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The default setting is "on". You have to have the service dept reprogram it, but they will do it free of charge. Once reprogrammed it will default to the last setting, so once you turn it off, it will stay off.
That's good.

In addition, If you can change the period of idle time before turning off to 6 or 7 seconds that would be ideal.

Thirdly, move the botton closest to the driver rather than the farest.
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      10-01-2012, 09:52 PM   #12
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You do learn to control the feature with the gas and brake. As long as the car is rolling the engine won't stop. Likewise, as soon as you begin to release pressure from the brake, the engine refires - even if you haven't started moving yet.
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      10-01-2012, 11:52 PM   #13
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I do foresee a dangerous situation when you are stopped at an intersection trying to make a left turn in a hurry before the coming traffic and all of a sudden your engine is turned off...
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      10-02-2012, 12:16 AM   #14
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I agree a 5-6 second delay would help.
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      10-02-2012, 06:35 AM   #15
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Think some people are just stuck in their ways . Use it and get used to it, it'll save you fuel and peoples health.By the time you put the clutch down and put the car in gear ready to pull away (assuming manual), the car is already restarted. Even with the auto it starts straight away.

it is better if you know the your traffic system well though, so you know when to allow the auto function to stop the engine but even if it stops just before restarting again it does no harm although of course 20+ seconds at rest with engine off would be better.
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      10-02-2012, 08:01 AM   #16
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Think some people are just stuck in their ways . Use it and get used to it, it'll save you fuel and peoples health.By the time you put the clutch down and put the car in gear ready to pull away (assuming manual), the car is already restarted. Even with the auto it starts straight away.

it is better if you know the your traffic system well though, so you know when to allow the auto function to stop the engine but even if it stops just before restarting again it does no harm although of course 20+ seconds at rest with engine off would be better.
Darren,

While I agree with you; there have been some major complaints on the F30 boards about the ASS stalling (in the US), which can be a huge problem. On top of that, the system isn't explained in details. In the manual, there are a bunch of checks the system has to go through before it even turns on. It has to be the right temp outside, it has to have the battery charge (however there isn't even an indicator on how long it takes or display of the charge), and etc. I really wish BMW were a bit more detailed on the system.

I'm totally for this; when I drove a F30 demo, I came to a stop, the ASS started, and when I knew I was going to move (by paying attention to my surroundings) I had my foot on my brake, tap the accelerator and the car started up, and I proceeded on.

Ever since I started driving, I always said to myself why can't cars turn off in traffic. It's a complete waste of energy. As more cars start doing this, the better it will become and more people will start to accept it.

In the BMW manual, it also stated it won't engage ASS in rush-hour situations. This is true (at least for me).
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      10-02-2012, 08:37 AM   #17
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If one has to "learn how to control the feature", then it really isn't automatic, is it? Sounds like it would have been better if people would just use the start/stop button to stop then restart the engine when they wanted.



Seriously, is all the aggravation and potential safety issues worth the 3% savings in fuel economy?

Not for me. Glad I've got the 35i

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      10-02-2012, 10:00 AM   #18
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If one has to "learn how to control the feature", then it really isn't automatic, is it? Sounds like it would have been better if people would just use the start/stop button to stop then restart the engine when they wanted.



Seriously, is all the aggravation and potential safety issues worth the 3% savings in fuel economy?

Not for me. Glad I've got the 35i

Not sure what the engine has to do with it since the system can be completely disabled. There is no reason this optional feature should prevent somebody from buying the 28i if that's the engine they want. Don't want it? Have the dealer change the default to last setting, turn it off, and forget about it. It should never activate again - at least in theory.
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      10-02-2012, 10:02 AM   #19
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The 35i doesn't have it as an option, hence the earlier comment.
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      10-02-2012, 10:39 AM   #20
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It does feel a bit strange at first and takes a little bit of time to get used to it, but you do get used to it, you just have to give it a chance and not just reach to the button to turn it off first thing in the car.

You simply have to sometimes anticipate a little bit more: release the brake pedal a 1/2 second before you want to move, that's all. Last time I drove a car with it, it took me a few days to get used to it then felt normal (it was a manual, as soon as you press the clutch it, it starts the car again). Now I have the X1 for 2 days now and I'm already starting to get used to it again, I'm sure in a few more days I won't even notice anymore.

And yes, it does save fuel that would otherwise be completely wasted. If you are in traffic I bet you it will save a lot more than just 3%!
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      10-02-2012, 11:06 AM   #21
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The 35i doesn't have it as an option, hence the earlier comment.
I understand you can't get it with the six. I was just pointing out that, since it can be completely disabled, you have the ability to take it out of the equation for the 28i. Not having it available as an option might prevent somebody from buying the 3.0T if they want the feature, but having it standard shouldn't prevent somebody who doesn't want it from buying the 2.0T.
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      10-02-2012, 11:23 AM   #22
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I understand you can't get it with the six. I was just pointing out that, since it can be completely disabled, you have the ability to take it out of the equation for the 28i. Not having it available as an option might prevent somebody from buying the 3.0T if they want the feature, but having it standard shouldn't prevent somebody who doesn't want it from buying the 2.0T.
Has anyone actually had it disabled at the dealer? I know the F30 crowd wasn't have much luck with that approach.

The 3.0t gets 6 mpg less than the 2.0t, no amount of ASS is going to bridge that gap.
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