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      10-05-2016, 11:53 AM   #1
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Can lowered on 17s still look good?

Anyone here lowered on 17s? Right now I have 19" style 225m (msport) wheels, so it never really occurred to me to swap to 17s... BUT, I love these wheels so much and noticed the Subaru Forester guys seem to make these tires work: 225/50r17, 245/45/r17, and 255/40/r17.

Seems like the most aggressive sport wheel setup is something like 19x8 et22 and 19x9 et17 after spacers which are pretty close to my 17" wheel offsets. What say you?!

OZ Futura 8,5x17 ET 13 10x17 ET 19 5x120




Dare I say that 17s with 245/45 tires might even look better than 19s with 255/35 tires?
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      10-05-2016, 12:11 PM   #2
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8.5 with et of 13 is going to poke, a lot.
I got just a bit of poke with 8 with same ET at stock ride height.
IF you lower it at all, it's going to be a good inch, inch and a half poke outside the fender.
Rear is going to be about in the same boat.
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8.5 with et of 13 is going to poke, a lot.
I got just a bit of poke with 8 with same ET at stock ride height.
IF you lower it at all, it's going to be a good inch, inch and a half poke outside the fender.
Rear is going to be about in the same boat.
Interesting. Compared to your offsets, I'd poke 6mm more in the front and 12mm more in the back. I'd rather have it more flushed, but it's definitely not 1" to 1.5" poke. If anything, ,I could also reduce my reduce my rear lips by 0.5"s.

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Interesting. Compared to your offsets, I'd poke 6mm more in the front and 12mm more in the back. I'd rather have it more flushed, but it's definitely not 1" to 1.5" poke.
1 to 1.5 is not what I was referring to at stock height. When you drop it they are going to stick out that much.
And you going to have to drop the piss out of it to make 17's look good.
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1 to 1.5 is not what I was referring to at stock height. When you drop it they are going to stick out that much.
And you going to have to drop the piss out of it to make 17's look good.
When you lower a car, it will naturally camber in, not come out more. The 17s will be wrapped in a meatier tire just like the forester I posted above but the tire diameter will still be the same as a 19" setup. I hear what you're saying, but I'm still not totally convinced I have to "drop the piss out of it" to make it look good. Do you think the Forester with 17s or 19s look better? Personally, I think the 17 setup looks better on the Forester... I still with we had a more fair X1 comparison.

17s...

19s...
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When you lower a car, it will naturally camber in, not come out more.
Your forgetting our a arms are not perpendicular to the ground, there is a good 2 inches left to level out the geometry. When lowering, they go out first, then start to come back in.

Camber will always come in when lowering but the a arms have to be past "level" before the entire wheel pulls back in.

I suck at explaining this.

Top of the wheel moves in due to camber, but the entirety of the wheel moves out.

In general, the more you drop the smaller the wheel you can use that looks "good". But it's all relative. If your going to throw some meats on there it could turn out nice, just a different look.
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It seems like a lot of guys add 15mm F and 20mm R spacers on the 19" msport wheels without any fender modification.

BMW Style 225m - slightly rubs in the rear.
19x8 et37 with 15mm spacers = 19x8 et22 wrapped in 225/40
19x9 et39 with 20mm spacers = 19x9 et19 wrapped in 255/35

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17x8.5 et13
17x10 et 19

The Oz rears will stick out 12mm more, but if I went with a 245/45 tire, I'd only stick out 7mm more... This is sounding very doable after all...
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These are 17s, if it helps...

And good to see a Subty guy on here. I've had 5 WRXs through the years, and a tuned Fozzy XT is an awesome runabout. I liken it to the X1 in many ways. Odd, cool factor.

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Your forgetting our a arms are not perpendicular to the ground, there is a good 2 inches left to level out the geometry. When lowering, they go out first, then start to come back in.

Camber will always come in when lowering but the a arms have to be past "level" before the entire wheel pulls back in.

I suck at explaining this.

Top of the wheel moves in due to camber, but the entirety of the wheel moves out.

In general, the more you drop the smaller the wheel you can use that looks "good". But it's all relative. If your going to throw some meats on there it could turn out nice, just a different look.
Have you seen (or calculated) the camber curves for the car? While you'll be gaining less camber per amount of lowering, I doubt anyone would be on the other side of the curve, losing camber.
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These are 17s, if it helps...
And good to see a Subty guy on here. I've had 5 WRXs through the years, and a tuned Fozzy XT is an awesome runabout. I liken it to the X1 in many ways. Odd, cool factor.
Helps a lot actually... Love the look! Do you mind sharing the wheel widths, offsets, and tire sizes? I was also debating B6 + H&Rs vs BC coilovers, but I think I may be sold on the B6 + H&Rs combo after looking at your pic.

Do any of your tires extend pass the fender? Do they rub at all during daily driving or at the track? Got anymore pics of wheel fitment?

Car looks absolutely fantastic!
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Have you seen (or calculated) the camber curves for the car? While you'll be gaining less camber per amount of lowering, I doubt anyone would be on the other side of the curve, losing camber.
You always gain camber that's not what I'm talking about, but your overall track width expands. (overall the wheels stick out farther)

Blue gains camber.
Angle between blue and purple does not change.
Purple compresses, red is the same length between the two.
This happens on any McPherson strut design where the a-arm is not perpendicular to the ground at it's "normal" resting state.

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What offset are these arc8 in 17"s. and what size tire thanks!
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