Mustang at cars and coffee again!

[tranquility]

Originally Posted by opihi5

usually they just keep it pinned which gets them into trouble, whenever I lift I regain traction immediately

Maybe someone better than me can clarify this, I always thought if you're in that situation if you suddenly lift, you lose traction, vs at least keeping some traction (albeit slipping) and try to recover. Ofc, I don't mean keep the gas pinned but ease up very gently, and also definitely no brakes.

[itrsteve]

Originally Posted by tranquility

Maybe someone better than me can clarify this, I always thought if you're in that situation if you suddenly lift, you lose traction, vs at least keeping some traction (albeit slipping) and try to recover. Ofc, I don't mean keep the gas pinned but ease up very gently, and also definitely no brakes.

Yes, you're correct. What bites people by the sudden lift when traction is lost in the rear is due to weight abruptly shifting to the front which lightens up the rear end and that's why you'll see it kick out at a much faster rate in which it previously was.

In that situation, you're correct to ease off the throttle but it's human nature to panic and immediately let off the pedal which put you in the situation in the first place. I've been guilty of it on track while knowing better, but it's why I don't drive like a dick on the street either.

[Golddots]

Perhaps all m4 and high capacity.....err horsepower vehicles should be banned!

[coolcobramatt]

Originally Posted by mantis

coolest douchebags ever in these mustangs, always in control of their cars. maybe ford needs to go full spool on its rears

I've owned 18 mustangs and 8 BMW's. There are a ton of douche bags on both ends. In my experience there are quite a bit more on the Bimmer side.

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by DonkeyKong

I dont know what's worse, the douchebag mustang driver or the intellectual level (or lack of) of the cars&coffee crowd....

[angelr]

If you lift suddenly while dialing in a bunch of counter steer you will rapidly cause the car to start spinning in the other direction because of the weight transfer to the front upon throttle cut, usually setting into motion a series of corrections that come too late and are too abrupt leading to a tank slapper. If you had trouble with the low speed yaw that came on pretty gradually under power, you will absolutely be overwhelmed by this and will most likely end up in the ditch/on a curb/in a crowd. Keep the throttle closer to the original level and dial in a bit of counter and you'll usually be much better off.

Watch someone tracking their rwd car loose the rear and rapidly dial in some counter steer, their throttle isn't being cut drastically if they're catching it, just a steady right foot and quick hands.

Originally Posted by itrsteve

Yes, you're correct. What bites people by the sudden lift when traction is lost in the rear is due to weight abruptly shifting to the front which lightens up the rear end and that's why you'll see it kick out at a much faster rate in which it previously was.

In that situation, you're correct to ease off the throttle but it's human nature to panic and immediately let off the pedal which put you in the situation in the first place. I've been guilty of it on track while knowing better, but it's why I don't drive like a dick on the street either.

[jpnh]

Originally Posted by Golddots

Perhaps all m4 and high capacity.....err horsepower vehicles should be banned!

Thou shalt not utter blasphemous statements against the church of more horsepower and torque

[jpnh]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

I dont know what's worse, the douchebag mustang driver or the intellectual level (or lack of) of the cars&coffee crowd....

Bread and Circus.....

[Anthony235]

Originally Posted by opihi5

All you have to do it take your foot off the gas and counter steer, people who don't know how to drive shouldn't buy these high horsepower crowd killer. The m3 makes it too easy

Generally speaking this is the worst advice ever.

[Anthony235]

Originally Posted by opihi5

usually they just keep it pinned which gets them into trouble, whenever I lift I regain traction immediately

No, usually they lift completely and/or apply the brakes.

[Anthony235]

Originally Posted by angelr

If you lift suddenly while dialing in a bunch of counter steer you will rapidly cause the car to start spinning in the other direction because of the weight transfer to the front upon throttle cut, usually setting into motion a series of corrections that come too late and are too abrupt leading to a tank slapper. If you had trouble with the low speed yaw that came on pretty gradually under power, you will absolutely be overwhelmed by this and will most likely end up in the ditch/on a curb/in a crowd. Keep the throttle closer to the original level and dial in a bit of counter and you'll usually be much better off.

Watch someone tracking their rwd car loose the rear and rapidly dial in some counter steer, their throttle isn't being cut drastically if they're catching it, just a steady right foot and quick hands.

This ^

At :26 you can see the BMW lift completely at the end = tank slapper. Lucky to catch it in time.

You can SLOWLY let off the throttle (down to zero throttle if you want) to scrub speed if you need to as you countersteer
Maintain throttle and scrub less speed as you countersteer
Give more gas as you countersteer and power through it.

All depends on angle and radius of the turn.

[angelr]

Lol, I've never seen so many spins.

Originally Posted by Anthony235

This ^

At :26 you can see the BMW lift completely at the end = tank slapper. Lucky to catch it in time.

You can SLOWLY let off the throttle (down to zero throttle if you want) to scrub speed if you need to as you countersteer
Maintain throttle and scrub less speed as you countersteer
Give more gas as you countersteer and power through it.

All depends on angle and radius of the turn.

[opihi5]

Originally Posted by Anthony235

Generally speaking this is the worst advice ever.

I meant slowly lift.. Not dump off gas

[Anthony235]

Originally Posted by opihi5

All you have to do it take your foot off the gas and counter steer, people who don't know how to drive shouldn't buy these high horsepower crowd killer. The m3 makes it too easy

Originally Posted by opihi5

I meant slowly lift.. Not dump off gas

Lol if you say so.

[Anthony235]

Originally Posted by angelr

Lol, I've never seen so many spins.

Hard to capture in the vid, but it was pouring rain that day.

This better shows how wet it was. Go to 1:30. Sorry for the poor sound.

[m3_love]

Originally Posted by Moosemarus

Houston cars and coffee is mostly mustangs.

Don't forget Camaros...

[Anthony235]

I like the power through it option

Ok, I'm done whoring out my vids. Sorry

[angelr]

Cool videos man, thanks for sharing.

[kitesurfer]

right rear must have been 1.5psi low...dumbass

I apologize if this is a re-post.

[dkmesa]

What do you think the odds are that a mustang cars and coffee crash has not been posted multiple times on every car forum more than 3 weeks after it occurred? Lol

[nick3753]

Apology accepted. But just as much fun to watch this time around.

[Beartato]

The meme lives on.