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      03-10-2014, 01:35 AM   #89
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We were able to negotiate a lower price on an X3 28i vs the Evoque. The price, driving experience and warranty/maintenance made the X1 a no-brainer over the Evoque for us. The Evoque needs better acceleration and a lower price. The new ZF 9-speed tranny is a step in the right direction.

We will look at the X4, X5, and Porsche Macan in another year or so.
I'm really liking the look of the new X4. I wonder what the price will be.
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We were able to negotiate a lower price on an X3 28i vs the Evoque. The price, driving experience and warranty/maintenance made the X1 a no-brainer over the Evoque for us. The Evoque needs better acceleration and a lower price. The new ZF 9-speed tranny is a step in the right direction.

We will look at the X4, X5, and Porsche Macan in another year or so.
I'm really liking the look of the new X4. I wonder what the price will be.
Slightly higher than the X3. I think it's that or a Macan S for our X1 replacement next year.
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      03-10-2014, 09:26 AM   #91
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I'm really liking the look of the new X4. I wonder what the price will be.
I don't get the point of all the minature SUVs.
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I don't get the point of all the minature SUVs.
Yet you own one.
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      03-10-2014, 10:33 AM   #93
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I'm really liking the look of the new X4. I wonder what the price will be.
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$45k for 28i
$48k for 35i

http://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=955521

Looks like no RWD (Performance Control lite and Variable Sport Steering standard). No panoramic moonroof initially is a big turnoff for us.
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Yet you own one.
It is a hatchback. No way it could ever be considered an SUV.
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It is a hatchback. No way it could ever be considered an SUV.
Uh, sure thing. A 3,900 pound hatchback. Park it next to an A3, a GTI, even an Allroad and get back to us on that.
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The deal on mini-suvs are that Americans don't like wagons or large 5-door hatches, but repackaging all that as a SUV or SAV somehow makes sense.
And yeah, I have an X1. Our other car is an Audi A4 Avant; we'd buy more wagons if we could get them. Audi has repackaged that model as an Allroad; a sort of Teutonic Subaru Outback.
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The deal on mini-suvs are that Americans don't like wagons or large 5-door hatches, but repackaging all that as a SUV or SAV somehow makes sense.
And yeah, I have an X1. Our other car is an Audi A4 Avant; we'd buy more wagons if we could get them. Audi has repackaged that model as an Allroad; a sort of Teutonic Subaru Outback.
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Agreed, we actually intended to buy an F31, but the size and drive just weren't great. With rumor that the US may actually get a rwd 335i F31, and with recent improvements in the F3x steering, we may actually go that route next year. If they'd actually offer it with a stick, I'd just get one for myself and either the X4 or Macan for the wife.

Of course I'd buy an M135i right now, but realize I'm one of about 37 Americans who would.
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I don't get the point of all the minature SUVs.
Here's the point..... I'm sure there potential consumers in situations other than my own, but here is why I like them....

I'm a single guy with no family or kids, and I rarely have someone even sit in my back seat. So storage capacity and back seat space are not important. But I live in the snow belt and like an AWD vehicle that allows me to drive in the snow. Also, as I have a bad back, I need a vehicle with a higher than normal seating position. All those things combined has me preferring a small SUV.

I would also consider a 2-seater regular cab small truck if they made one that had some luxuries, but nobody seems to make such a vehicle. Another vehicle that has me interested is this new Jeep Renegade that was just announced this past week. I can imagine that the one with the Fiat turbo engine from the 500 Abarth and the 6-speed manual transmission could be a blast to drive.
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We were able to negotiate a lower price on an X3 28i vs the Evoque. The price, driving experience and warranty/maintenance made the X1 a no-brainer over the Evoque for us. The Evoque needs better acceleration and a lower price. The new ZF 9-speed tranny is a step in the right direction.

We will look at the X4, X5, and Porsche Macan in another year or so.
I'm really liking the look of the new X4. I wonder what the price will be.
Slightly higher than the X3. I think it's that or a Macan S for our X1 replacement next year.
The Macan S with just a few options is $70K. Ridiculous.
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Uh, sure thing. A 3,900 pound hatchback. Park it next to an A3, a GTI, even an Allroad and get back to us on that.
All-Road is bigger than X1. It looks pretty similar to Golf that parks next to me sometimes.
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The Macan S with just a few options is $70K. Ridiculous.
It's not that hard to keep under $60k (with the full convenience package, PASM, full leather and torque vectoring, it's $62k), which is roughly the same as a highly optioned X3/X4 and similar to an SQ5. Sure, you can option it further, but that's just falling victim to Porsche options, nothing that isn't true of all of their other models.
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Also, as I have a bad back, I need a vehicle with a higher than normal seating position. All those things combined has me preferring a small SUV.
+1

The X1 is a wagon, I'm not sure why one would argue otherwise.
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      03-10-2014, 04:04 PM   #103
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The X1 is a wagon, I'm not sure why one would argue otherwise.
Arguably that's true. However, it looks enough like an SUV that it will sell in this country.
I'm mystified by the whole concept, but you take what you can get.
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Arguably that's true. However, it looks enough like an SUV that it will sell in this country.
I'm mystified by the whole concept, but you take what you can get.
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Yeah, I'd call it an SUV. Having parked mine next to a friend's E91, even though I know they're the same chassis, one is clearly a wagon, and one is a small SUV. The X1 driving position feels nearly identical to the 1986 Jeep Cherokee I've spent way too much time in.

But if it makes you feel better, keep thinking of it as a wagon. My wife drives a small SUV though.
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      03-10-2014, 04:10 PM   #105
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Uh, sure thing. A 3,900 pound hatchback. Park it next to an A3, a GTI, even an Allroad and get back to us on that.
It is actually rated by EPA as a large car and my insurance company classifies it as a wagon and not an SUV...
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Yeah, I'd call it an SUV. Having parked mine next to a friend's E91, even though I know they're the same chassis, one is clearly a wagon, and one is a small SUV. The X1 driving position feels nearly identical to the 1986 Jeep Cherokee I've spent way too much time in.

But if it makes you feel better, keep thinking of it as a wagon. My wife drives a small SUV though.
Why do you want it to be an SUV so badly? It is not one. It is a small hatch back or wagon. It is not far off the ground. It is not going to go offroad. There isn't any more rear room than any other hatchback. It is most similar to a Subaru Impreza five door.
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Why do you want it to be an SUV so badly? It is not one. It is a small hatch back or wagon. It is not far off the ground. It is not going to go offroad. There isn't any more rear room than any other hatchback. It is most similar to a Subaru Impreza five door.
It's not that I want it to be anything. But if I call it a duck, my friends will still see a small SUV. Isn't it Forester sized anyway, another car frequently called an SUV that is 99% wagon.

I admit that the X1 is based on an E91, shaped like a wagon, but pitched as an SUV. If it weren't, it would be called something without an X, it's not like BMW doesn't have enough names to cover it. A 1GT would have worked if someone really though it was a wagon.
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It is actually rated by EPA as a large car and my insurance company classifies it as a wagon and not an SUV...
That's cool, my M Coupe was a convertible according to Allstate. I never found the button to put the top down.
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That's cool, my M Coupe was a convertible according to Allstate. I never found the button to put the top down.


Yeah, I never found that button either on my M-Coupe!
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      03-10-2014, 05:06 PM   #110
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I got mine to directly replace an impreza hatchback. Its close, but not nearly as much room. (smaller glovebox, smaller center console storage, no room for a spare, less trunk ******* seems closer in space to an A3.

I still think its more hatch than suv.
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