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      09-25-2013, 08:25 AM   #1
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Brake pads changed on BMW X1 S Drive?

Sorry if this has been beaten up already. But now that I have 1000 on my X1 the wheels are still clean! Every BMW I've owned in the past the wheels would collect massive amounts of black break dust. Evidently BMW changed the brake compounds. I do notice a little less initial bite, but I'm happy for the trade off for clean wheels and a clean car for weeks instead of hours! Anyone know when BMW changed to the clean pads? Is it on all their models?
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I think it's a USA only thing (and may exclude the M Sport), and the braking distance went way up with the change. But they are cleaner than the older pads.
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      09-25-2013, 09:53 AM   #3
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With the three series it was somewhere in MY2010. Though, it seems to be hit or miss as some later models have had what they believe to be the dustier, non-ceramic pads. My 2012 135i has the ceramic pads, 2013 X1 35i has the ceramic pads.

I am really surprised that any new BMWs are still being outfitted with the older pads.
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The older pads do work better and have better pedal feel, but I'd imagine the number of people new to BMW and European cars in general that complained about the dusting was enough to make them switch for our cars.
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i understand if you have a 28i having break issues since they have a smaller break setup then on the 35i. This was another reason why i picked the 35i over the 28i. Also i noticed the breaks on my X1 are much better in terms of stopping power than on my e90.
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i understand if you have a 28i having break issues since they have a smaller break setup then on the 35i. This was another reason why i picked the 35i over the 28i. Also i noticed the breaks on my X1 are much better in terms of stopping power than on my e90.
I've not heard of 2.8 brake issues. Please be specific, with links to issues. Otherwise ill figure you're blowing smoke.
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I've not heard of 2.8 brake issues. Please be specific, with links to issues. Otherwise ill figure you're blowing smoke.
This. While the brakes are smaller on the 2.8, I certainly didn't notice it on test drives. I do find the initial bite of the newer pads feels great, but the actual braking performance is lacking, at least (unfairly) compared to our 135i with the old style of pads, or much more unfairly, my old M Coupe. I'd change to the old style pads in a second.
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      09-25-2013, 05:45 PM   #8
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This. While the brakes are smaller on the 2.8, I certainly didn't notice it on test drives. I do find the initial bite of the newer pads feels great, but the actual braking performance is lacking, at least (unfairly) compared to our 135i with the old style of pads, or much more unfairly, my old M Coupe. I'd change to the old style pads in a second.
I haven't gotten out of the break in mileage so I haven't driven hard enough to really notice one way or another about the brakes...but playing armchair jockey for a second: wouldn't tires be the limited braking factor for any of us driving around with the stock ecomentalist all season tires? Low rolling resistance seems to mean "long braking distances"
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Sure, but even the M Sports with summer tires have longer braking distances than recent BMW's.
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Sure, but even the M Sports with summer tires have longer braking distances than recent BMW's.
Please show me? What "recent BMW's" are you referring to exactly. Show me the distances. Is this just more conjecture? If not back it up with facts please.
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Sure, but even the M Sports with summer tires have longer braking distances than recent BMW's.
Please show me? What "recent BMW's" are you referring to exactly. Show me the distances. Is this just more conjecture? If not back it up with facts please.
Prove me wrong. I read four or five car magazines, but recall that all X1 braking distances have been Honda like and the M Sport was better, but still longer than the E91 xDrive, which if you're playing along at home, you may know is a, wait for it, X1 by any other name.

Further, US F30s have had longer braking distances than E90s, even with better tires. The exception has been the M Sport which does still come with the old style, non US pads.
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I believe its tire related not brake related (stopping distance). I remember reading a recent road test and I get Autoweek, Automobile, Car and Driver and Motor Trend and they talked about how the one they were driving was much better than another they had tested and they attributed it to tires.The M Sport must have ceramic brakes because my wheels stay clean while my E93 335 wheels are dirty in a couple days.
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Prove me wrong. I read four or five car magazines, but recall that all X1 braking distances have been Honda like and the M Sport was better, but still longer than the E91 xDrive, which if you're playing along at home, you may know is a, wait for it, X1 by any other name.

Further, US F30s have had longer braking distances than E90s, even with better tires. The exception has been the M Sport which does still come with the old style, non US pads.
"Prove you wrong". Just as I figured another Internet expert without any supporting facts, just more conjecture.
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"Prove you wrong". Just as I figured another Internet expert without any supporting facts, just more conjecture.
there are countless youtube reviews of the car that state the breaking distance for a car the size of the X1 is rather long (example here 4th paragraph and here 3rd page), 28i or 35i included. Also if you compare a 28i to a 35i you can see the breaks are much larger on the 35i.
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Prove me wrong. I read four or five car magazines, but recall that all X1 braking distances have been Honda like and the M Sport was better, but still longer than the E91 xDrive, which if you're playing along at home, you may know is a, wait for it, X1 by any other name.

Further, US F30s have had longer braking distances than E90s, even with better tires. The exception has been the M Sport which does still come with the old style, non US pads.
"Prove you wrong". Just as I figured another Internet expert without any supporting facts, just more conjecture.
You're a funny internet toughguy. I presume we both own an X1, right? I'm not trashing it, just saying it takes longer to stop than other recent BMW's. I'm at home with my family, I'll provide some stats for your sour puss when someone's paying me for it tomorrow.
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Tires appear to be the correct answer. The wife's busy. You're welcome.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...trumented-test

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...8i-test-review

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...rm-test-review
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Tires appear to be the correct answer. The wife's busy. You're welcome.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...8i-test-review

"Stops shorter than a school bus! Also has fewer seats. "

Ouch.

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      09-26-2013, 11:47 AM   #18
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Thanks for posting some test data. As far as being compared to Audi 20mm wider tires makes the difference. Beyond that perhaps brake compound hurts a bit as well. My issue the comment that X1 has "well known" brake issues, and that is not the case.
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Thanks for posting some test data. As far as being compared to Audi 20mm wider tires makes the difference. Beyond that perhaps brake compound hurts a bit as well. My issue the comment that X1 has "well known" brake issues, and that is not the case.
If you think the braking distance of a non-M Sport X1 isn't awful, than you have very different expectations of BMW's. Since the 2002, BMW's have been known as having excellent stopping distances, usually with what looks like substandard equipment, ie M cars on sliding calipers and not huge rotors. But they've made it work.

It appears that it's only a tire issue though, as the summer tires on the M Sport shaved off ten meters of stopping distance. If two car lengths at 70 mph doesn't seem important, I guess I'm surprised, that's all.
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...exception has been the M Sport which does still come with the old style, non US pads.
Not on mine it doesn't. My pads are ceramic. Maybe it's just for the 3.5i MSport.
And I know that the brakes on my X1 are not nearly as good as those on my 'E92 335i. Great brakes on that car!
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So as I originally stated with back up facts from Car and Driver it was the tires, as the last article says it stopped shorter than the 328 with the right tires. I try not to BS my way thru answers and I'm not accusing anyone of doing that just trying to go by almost 20 years of BMW ownership and 15 BMW's and a lot of reading since I'm retired.
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I contend that it's a combination of the brakes plus LRR tires. The stock Goodyear runflat summer tires on my M Sport were LRR, and I was never happy with the braking performance. I replaced them with all-season DWS's about 15,000 miles ago, and the braking feel is actually about the same or maybe even marginally better. Switching from summer tires to all-seasons should have resulted in decreased performance.

Our Audi has the exact opposite problem ... outstanding performance but wholly-crap-I-can't-believe-how-dirty-my-wheels-are amounts of brake dust. (HBWT - as a former Q5 owner you know what I mean.)

I'd love to have stock in the company that finally comes up with a low dust brake pad that actually performs. In the meantime, I guess larger ceramic brakes are the best compromise. Speaking of which, I wonder if the 35i's brakes can be retrofitted to the 28i?
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