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      03-07-2013, 04:54 PM   #67
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I do not run EcoPro and it seems that pretty much any acceleration pegs the gas meter at the 12MPG point. I tried to avoid that at first but have given up as it is pretty much impossible if you want any sort of normal acceleration. I just pay no attention and drive the car the way I want to. I'm still getting higher MPG than my old Honda so what the heck.

I wonder if having to fight EcoPro to get the car to do what it should is ending up killing your MPG. Try a longer highway trip without EcoPro. Don't watch the darn needle and just drive as normal. If your milage still sucks then take the car in and have the dealer check it. I'd insist that the service advisor reset the trip meter and then drive the car on the highway for a few miles to see what the reported MPG number is. I also like the suggestion to borrow a dealer X1 and run it to see if it gets a radically different result.
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      03-07-2013, 11:10 PM   #68
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In looking back over all of the posts, it seems that all the 'good' reports are from those with sDrive in warm weather areas. The 'bad' reports all seem to be from xDrive owners in cold weather areas (i.e. winter blend gas). My past experience says the summer vs. winter difference is about 2 mpg. Maybe it's a little more for the X1? The EPA numbers say sDrive is 1 mpg better than xDrive. Maybe a little more? I guess I'll reserve final judgement until it warms up and I get a few more miles on it.

P.S. Please stop watching the mpg needle! It is a piece of crap (should be oil temp) with only an extremely remote correlation to actual mileage.
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      03-08-2013, 08:15 AM   #69
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I've drifted away from the X1 and the discussion in recent months because of my issues with this powertrain and its supposed whiz bang efficiency which I wasn't buying post test drive. Well my 128 just got its last covered service and I requested far in advance an X1 for a loaner and for once I have no complaints about my service visit and my dirty X1 xdrive 28i was waiting for me (okay 1 minor complaint. I drove this vehicle ~140 miles mostly hwy, mostly like granny (not 55 but 70ish and decelerating up hills, very little passing, etc) and netted right about 25 total. I was able to see 27 and change when I reset and did hwy eco slo mode grannying it back to the dealer so I didn't have to put MORE gas in the thing. Again not calculated mpg, displayed of course...Many chimes on this thread are Sdrivers in warm areas so those numbers aren't particularly relevant to your woes although I'm sure your numbers will improve some with warmer weather on the way. Driven the way I drive my 128 (and consistently get high 20s-30) I think I'd be lucky to see 25 probably more like 22-23 which is piss poor given the EPA numbers, which for the Xdrive 28i are a f*cking scam and NEED TO BE REVISED edit: SLASHED AS THEY ARE COMPLETE RUBBISH! Bottom line: The only way I'd buy this car in its current offering is an X1 35i at a fire sale because you get something for low 20s avg. mpg- PERFORMANCE!- Also think the brakes on the 28i pretty much suck. Its still a good car overall but the N20, for me? not to offend anyone, complete fail. Its just too jekyl and hyde, too reliant on boost and sucks down fuel when driven or with any kind of verve or up any kind of hill- yes the mpg needle read 12 or lower with either of those conditions.

All of that said the car weighs 3725lbs (xdrive) in its most basic form so to expect 30+ hwy while getting to 60 in a few 10ths over 6 pretty much defies even the best modern performance/efficiency numbers for gas combustion engines.

BMW REALLY DROPPED THE BALL BY NOT GIVING US THE HIPO 2L DIESEL IN THIS CAR!

My latest idea: Forester XT that will accept regular but I'd put at least 89 in it, run it for a cpl years, pass it to wifey getting her out of a Pilot we don't need (space wise) and hope to hell my compact CUV or even AWD sedan with 4cyl diesel power arrives, with some competition!

Will I get the quoted 28 hwy in this DI turbo? Probably not but with 23 city EPA I'd expect to see 25+ handily beating what I'd expect in the X135i which is much smaller albeit much quicker/engaging.
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All of that said the car weighs 3725lbs (xdrive) in its most basic form so to expect 30+ hwy while getting to 60 in a few 10ths over 6 pretty much defies even the best modern performance/efficiency numbers for gas combustion engines.
From the BMW manual xDrive gross weight is 4707lbs.
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      03-08-2013, 09:15 AM   #71
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From the BMW manual xDrive gross weight is 4707lbs.
Gross weight is the maximum allowed weight.

The number that matters for most people when looking at fuel consumption is the EU kerb weight, which is an empty vehicle with a full coolant/washer/oil/gas tanks and a 165 lb driver.
This is fairly similar to the number the EPA uses for mpg, and higher than the US curb weight (which doesn't include a driver or full tank).

But if you drive with your car loaded to the max, sure, look at the gross weight.
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      03-08-2013, 10:42 AM   #72
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Sounds like a couple unhappy campers. Read the auto mags and you will see that even the X3 with the 2.0 is getting 22-23, the X3 is a couple hundred pounds heavier and they don't drive them like granny at the auto mags. I believe winter blend gas is for all the US and not just the upper Midwest or northeast. In relative terms the X1 is pretty lightweight. If a couple people are getting bad gas mileage out of hundreds doesn't mean there is a problem. There's a guy that posts on here from Columbia with Xdrive that consistently gets upper 20's lower 30's hwy so for every really bad example there are really good example. If there was a 2.0 problem with gas mileage why are the new 3 series getting consistently high 30+ mileage. The X1 really weighs about the same as the 5 series and its 33 hwy I believe. So it's not weight and its not the engine. A few people does not make the average whether extremely high or extremely low.
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      03-08-2013, 12:19 PM   #73
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The X1 really weighs about the same as the 5 series and its 33 hwy I believe.
The X1 xDrive 28i is actually 275 lb lighter than the xDrive 528i, which is probably why it despite a higher drag coefficient has a specified fuel consumption of 22/33 mpg city/hwy compared to the 22/32 for the 528i.

That said, you can also load the X1 with far more weight, causing it to become more inefficient.
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      03-08-2013, 12:49 PM   #74
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It's not the weight that accounts for the difference between the X1 and 5-Series, it's the aerodynamics. My x-Drive 5-Series loaner averaged about 30 mpg over a thousand miles. My X1 is lucky to get 27 under similar conditions. The 5er was boring as heck, though. At $57k, I expected far better.
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      03-08-2013, 12:58 PM   #75
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Oh you mean those 3 series ads with numbers as tall as the screen 36 that they had to stop airing because the EPA decided to take BMW at their word, then tested and found otherwise? Those 3s?
Riddle me this, how in the world can a 316lb lighter, much slipperier (anyone have the drag figures?) 328i (RWD) get the same 33 hwy fuel economy with the same engine and gearing?
Hint: It Can't, so unless the EPA is out to screw them BMWs fuel economy figures for the X1 are complete BS and appear to be attainable only in a vacuum. Per my limited but not singular experience and trusting the computer I'd peg it at 19/27 and I think that still may be a touch optimistic, but while I'm being honest isn't all that bad, it just feels bad when you can't get over 27.x but the EPA "thinks" 33 should be attainable which I think should mean 30 (10% off) should be pretty easy, even in winter, but it isn't. 28 isn't either, not for me, and this was in a broken in loaner with 6+k on it.

I don't see how you're getting a calculated 30+ in the same car I was driving but on pancake flat hwy at 60-65 turning 17-1800RPMs, maybe it is possible. At 70-75, frequent rolling hills, its not, not in the cars I've sampled.
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I just got back from a trip to Cleveland, from Rochester NY. On the way back yesterday it was beautiful out (for the area...) and there were a ton of cops everywhere. Which meant averaging about 70 the whole way. Just an easy drive. Pretty flat terrain. Not driving like I normally do. I'm just under 6,000 miles on it. X drive 28. And the trip computer said I got 33.5 mpg on this trip. I believe that is sticker? No Eco-pro. FYI.
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      03-11-2013, 10:41 AM   #77
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I just got back from a trip to Cleveland, from Rochester NY. On the way back yesterday it was beautiful out (for the area...) and there were a ton of cops everywhere. Which meant averaging about 70 the whole way. Just an easy drive. Pretty flat terrain. Not driving like I normally do. I'm just under 6,000 miles on it. X drive 28. And the trip computer said I got 33.5 mpg on this trip. I believe that is sticker? No Eco-pro. FYI.
What was the outside temperature and what range of mpg do you get during normal (spirited?) driving?
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The point was made a couple posts before that it was because of the engine and weight and I said no. The X drive is 75 lbs lighter than the 528 and S drive 250+ lighter. My point also was using any mathematical statistics you want you don't just look at a couple people that say mileage is horrible or a couple that say its fantastic. This board is either enthusiasts or complainers so somewhere in between is reality. Everyone knows that thy EPA tests are BS, it's been in the news quite about lately about how they don't relate at all to real world driving so yes if you expected to get 32-34 consistently on the hwy if you drive 60-65 you probably could. All I know is real world comparison to our 2007 X3 with 3.0 and we get about 21.5-22 compared to 18-18.5 city. Same driving conditions exactly except the X1 has been all on winter blend fuel which is less. On the hwy we got about 22.5 in our X3 driving 75-85 and the two 600 mile total trips I took at 75-85 in the X1 I got 31 which is a significant increase. X3 was a hair over 4000 lbs vs 3550. My 2010 Clubman S I traded got about 32.5 highway at the same speed and it was 500 lbs lighter and averaged 26.5 city same course. Point being I certainly didn't expect my X1 to beat my Clubman S but if someone actually believes EPA estimates on any cars other than deisels they will be disappointed. We should all pick up at least 1 mpg when gas switches to summer blend.
A week ago The Weather Channel had an expect give 8 reasons why you get worse mileage in the winter but the top 3 were winter blend gas, oil needs a significant amount of time to get into operating range and third was every 10 degrees in temp decreases gas mileage .4% due to tire pressure dropping. Sorry don't have the other 5 reasons.
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What was the outside temperature and what range of mpg do you get during normal (spirited?) driving?
It was about 65F out. Normally I'm looking at 28/29-ish for pure freeway driving.
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I'm an enthusiast bordering on the obsessive and I've never had a hard time beating EPA hwy numbers in summer, matching them in winter (roughly). My 128 is 18 city 28 highway. Driving this car very aggressively on hilly rural sections in my area I've never come close to as poor as the city epa would suggest and on summer trips to upstate VT (not pancake flat) have blown through 32 not really trying. So when BMW launches a new model, has the EPA number revised to be the same in a lighter 2WD much more aero sedan why the hell won't they fix the numbers and stop flat out lying to less savvy consumers, so yeah I'm also a complainer when manufacturers lie and the EPA lets it go for whatever reason. With just a very blunt numbers comparison its pretty clear something stinks and I think buyers have all the right to be pissed off at BMW and the EPA for not calling them on the X1 lie, particularly in the wake of the 328 lie- which in reality was probably far less egregious.
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It was about 65F out. Normally I'm looking at 28/29-ish for pure freeway driving.
Gas consumption is sensitive to your driving style. Some people drive fast and some drive slowly. They get quite different mpg numbers. I think the official EPA is achieved under the conditions that (1) flat land, (2) good whether, and (3) keep constant speed at 50-60 mph. I did some tests on highway. If I (1) frequently push gas and pass everyone that blocks me and (2) never look at the instant mpg needle, I usually get 28-29 mpg. I can alway achieve the official EPA number (33 mpg, my car is xDrive28i) if I strictly follow the following rules: (1) keep constant speed at 60-70, (2) just follow the car in front of you and never pass anyone, (3) constantly look at the instant mpg needle to maximize the instant mpg -- slightly push gas only when speed drops below 60. Spring is coming and whether becomes better, you can try my rules mentioned above to see if you can achieve the EPA number. We cannot say BMW lies because the EPA is achieved under some conditions. Anyway, no matter your drive style is and whether you can achieve the EPA number, X1 is one of best premium crossovers in terms of gas consumption.
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Just shy of 4,000 miles and for the last 1,000 or so the actual mpg has risen to 27.6 overall with the 28i xDrive using 91/93 octane and using eco-pro and ASS. By comparison our X3 35i MSport (without eco-pro or ASS) is at 18,000 miles and has been returning 25.6 mpg. Same 2 drivers on mostly highway miles. Happy enough with the X1 and extremely happy with the X3.
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Gas consumption is sensitive to your driving style. Some people drive fast and some drive slowly. They get quite different mpg numbers. I think the official EPA is achieved under the conditions that (1) flat land, (2) good whether, and (3) keep constant speed at 50-60 mph. I did some tests on highway. If I (1) frequently push gas and pass everyone that blocks me and (2) never look at the instant mpg needle, I usually get 28-29 mpg. I can alway achieve the official EPA number (33 mpg, my car is xDrive28i) if I strictly follow the following rules: (1) keep constant speed at 60-70, (2) just follow the car in front of you and never pass anyone, (3) constantly look at the instant mpg needle to maximize the instant mpg -- slightly push gas only when speed drops below 60. Spring is coming and whether becomes better, you can try my rules mentioned above to see if you can achieve the EPA number. We cannot say BMW lies because the EPA is achieved under some conditions. Anyway, no matter your drive style is and whether you can achieve the EPA number, X1 is one of best premium crossovers in terms of gas consumption.
Your doing everything 'wrong' is 28-29mpg, whereas my doing everything 'right' (your 33mpg) is 21 mpg.

This is infuriating. Are you guys really measuring for the entire tank? Or cheating, pressing reset once the car is already up to highway cruising speed? It seems to be a whole different car than mine is. My car has no payload either - it is empty besides just me. What gives?

I could have had a X3 or X5 or X6 for that poor of mileage as 21 mpg. I bought the smallest X1 with 4-cyl N20 to get 33 mpg. At 21 mpg, I'm kicking myself that I didn't buy the more fun V6 3.5 X1.

Not that I don't believe everyone, but I'd love to see some screen shots. From mine you can see that it was 8 hours, 400 miles, 55mph average (is that really too fast??) to get just 21.9 mpg. I can only imagine that your average speed must be lower than mine - 30 mph? Did stopping for gas lower the average where I might have done 90 mph for parts of the trip but did not notice? But still - your WORST mileage is 28 mpg. My BEST mileage is 21 mpg.

I'm due for another long all-highway ski trip shortly, where this time, I will NOT use eco-pro at all and see what it gets me, just for the sake of the experiment.

My suspicion is that my 21 mpg in eco-mode is so horridly poor, that I'd bet no matter how I drive it - even in 100% sport mode - I'm already AT the bottom mpg floor for my car, so won't see any difference.

As for winter tire pressure - I'm already running my tires at 2 psi below their MAX pressure and getting 21 mpg, that can't the the reason in my case. Does my 19" M-Sport wheel-set help or hurt mileage? (Aways suspected wheel size is something of a wash - bigger circumference is more weight but less rotational speed).

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Teleskier, are you driving on mostly level terrain? Or is it usually hilly?

My Prius would get 52 mpg on a level highway, whereas I'd get only around 34 near my house as there are a good number of hills, and my trips were usually fairly short.

Even though I would coast as much as possible downhill, it didn't come close to making up for all the gas consumed going up.

My X1 arrives this week and I do not expect to get 24 City driving around my hilly neighborhood, but sure hope I can get 34 mpg on a long flat freeway.

I had a 2006 M3 that I recall was rated something like 14 city/19 highway (on the sticker...paid gas guzzler, etc.), but got 27/28 on the highway and 19.8 mpg average city (non-hilly back then). Not bad!
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Teleskier, before claiming that your X1 has an issue in gas consumption, like you said, do a highway test. For city driving, it is difficult to compare the number, because San Francico and New York may get much worse city driving mpg than that driving in a small town.
As I said, mpg number is sensitive to driving style. Even in highway driving, if a person pushes gas and realases gas paddle frequently, he definitely will get worse mpg than that by another guy who keeps speed (gas paddle) constantly, even though both of them have the same average speed. So, for the test purpose, try the following things to see what is the best mpg your X1 can achieve:
(1) Find a good day that you do not need to turn on air conditioning.
(1) Find a highway that is flat and no traffic.
(3) Reset trip computer before driving. Turn off ASS (Auto Start/Stop). Do not turn on Eco Mode.
(4) Keep 60-70 mph, try not to pass anyone.
(5) Keep watching the instant mpg needle and try to maximize the instant mpg as possible as you can. Usually, if you let your foot slightly touch the paddle, you can get 35-40 mpg in the instant mpg needle display.
After test, let us know your mpg displayed by trip computer. If you can get 28 mpg and above, your car is normal. If you get 25 mpg or below, your car has a problem.

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This is infuriating. Are you guys really measuring for the entire tank? Or cheating, pressing reset once the car is already up to highway cruising speed?
I'm cheating by resetting the trip computer once I am on the highway. I got 30 MPG by staying around 75 MPH and staying in my lane with minimal passing (did this just for testing, no traffic, A/C on, no ECO PRO). I don't care much about MPG so I don't drive like this regularly. I'm guessing 65 or 55 MPH would yield the EPA number. I drove PCH from LA to OC yesterday and got 18 MPG city. I'm getting about 24 MPG combined with my normal driving habits (I have BMS Stage 1 tune).

Early on my hand calculation and the computer were pretty far off. I've found the computer to be much more accurate as the car has broken in.

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(1) Find a good day that you do not need to turn on air conditioning.
I think modern BMWs use an electric and not belt driven A/C compressor so it should not affect power delivery or gas mileage. This is why you still have A/C when ASS has engaged.
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Tires matter...my loaner had the stock 17s with about 44psi in each corner that I promptly dropped to 2-3 over F/R per the door placard. I'd say the heavier 19s on performance rubber isn't helping your cause but shouldn't be that big a hurt. Doing 90 even for short stretches unless its down a mountain is definitely not helpful.

Look guys my 128 on the same drive easily beats what I was able to get in the X1 driving it gently, so for me 33 sounds like bs and per my findings is just that. Granted my 166hp CRV gets 24-25 now with winter tires so I'm not bashing the X1 for getting mid to high 20s I'm just pissed that they get to claim a number that is not close to reality.
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