X1 2013 - New tires - HELP

leatherpants · 12-17-2015, 08:04 PM

FWIW, I replaced the worn out stock tires on my 2013 with the Pirellis and they've been very good - especially in the wet Northwest weather. Better than stock for sure.

Ja Gio · 12-21-2015, 07:18 PM

Had a set of Conti DWS06 installed today - $842, with a local independent shop. Maybe not the cheapest, but I'm happy to keep some locals guys employed.

I've had the X1 since March, replaced one tire after picking up a nail at my BMW dealer - $310. Recently spotted unusual wear on the other rear tire - had the car in for scheduled service, and asked about a warranty on the tire, the fellow just chuckled - woulda been another $310.

vstolpner · 12-22-2015, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Ja Gio

Had a set of Conti DWS06 installed today - $842, with a local independent shop. Maybe not the cheapest, but I'm happy to keep some locals guys employed.

I've had the X1 since March, replaced one tire after picking up a nail at my BMW dealer - $310. Recently spotted unusual wear on the other rear tire - had the car in for scheduled service, and asked about a warranty on the tire, the fellow just chuckled - woulda been another $310.

If you argue the wear is unusual and due to improper alignment and such then they warranty it. Same as if your battery dies on account of another component not working properly.

Ja Gio · 12-22-2015, 06:51 PM

My thought was that it was a camber issue - the service writer twice said the pattern was consistent with an underinflated tire - I countered that my low pressure warning had never come on - he shrugged.

The Contis seem a good deal quieter, quite stable at high speed (a little over 90), no loss of confidence cornering (didn't push too hard due to rain). It was a lazy ride to work and an aggressive one home. Looks like I lost as much as 4 mpg when trying to max economy, 35 down to 31.

PrematureApex · 12-23-2015, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Ja Gio

My thought was that it was a camber issue - the service writer twice said the pattern was consistent with an underinflated tire - I countered that my low pressure warning had never come on - he shrugged.

The Contis seem a good deal quieter, quite stable at high speed (a little over 90), no loss of confidence cornering (didn't push too hard due to rain). It was a lazy ride to work and an aggressive one home. Looks like I lost as much as 4 mpg when trying to max economy, 35 down to 31.

Camber doesn't really show up in tire wear, unless you're at like -4 or less with a ton of highway driving.

Toe and/or inflation issues kill tires.

Ja Gio · 12-23-2015, 08:34 AM

Thanks. Toe was my other thought. About 400 highway miles per week. The second band of tread, from the outside, was heavily worn.

vstolpner · 12-23-2015, 10:55 AM

I might be wrong but from what I know wear due to tire pressure has to be symmetric on the tire itself. So if it's with on the inside of the tire, it had to be worn on the outside as well.

PrematureApex · 12-23-2015, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by vstolpner

I might be wrong but from what I know wear due to tire pressure has to be symmetric on the tire itself. So if it's with on the inside of the tire, it had to be worn on the outside as well.

Yup, it would generally be symmetric. Either heavier down the middle or heavier toward the outsides.

vstolpner · 12-23-2015, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ja Gio

Thanks. Toe was my other thought. About 400 highway miles per week. The second band of tread, from the outside, was heavily worn.

It seems that it's not likely to be tire pressure, so maybe try and get that warranty claim after all. And remember you can always contact BMW NA and BMW AG to help if your dealership is less than helpful.

Ja Gio · 12-23-2015, 09:09 PM

Thanks, guys. I think you're both correct, but I was ready for the new non run-flats, the new tires are on and the olds are gone. I considered posting photos of the wear pattern and asking for opinions, but rather, moved on. I do need to keep an eye on the new tires, looking for signs of wear - if it was toe, I assume it will repeat.

vstolpner · 12-23-2015, 11:44 PM

Most definitely. Might even be worth it to find a shop that will be able to assess your suspension so you can go back to your dealership and tell them to fix it.
Make sure to mention the wear pattern when you're getting the suspension checked.

Alternatively buy a very accurate tread depth gauge and keep checking it every couple thousand miles (maybe more often). Once you're able to see the wear visually it's too late

jagger x1 · 12-30-2015, 06:27 PM

running a set of Hancook dedicated snow tires on my 328i x-drive.

non run-flats, and the improvement in ride quality is very noticable.

my wife typically drives this car, and works close to home, so I stuffed a
can of fix a flat in the trunk, and hope for the best.

I miss my old '03 325xi with it's full-size matching wheel spare in the
trunk.......but all those years, and it never had to be used.

tires are a lot better than they used to be.

jagg

Papashawnsky · 12-30-2015, 10:44 PM

I am a big fan of the Conti DWS's. Had them on my Mazda3 before I traded it in for the X1. Once these tires run bald I will be buying them again. Not a fan of RFT's - going to keep an inflator in my car and if it's damaged beyond that I guess I'll have it towed.

P.S. Discount Tire carries another Conti, similar to DWS but called something else, those are the ones I had on my Mazda and were excellent.

vstolpner · 12-31-2015, 01:12 AM

I recently got a flat on my non-RFT's and had to put the original run flats on the car. Immediately the car felt much worse. The ride was harsher, more road noise, and it didn't feel any more sporty or better connected to the road. Also the speed bumps are noticeably harsher.

Just my experience and obviously I haven't tried the other tires, but between Goodyear Eagle LS2 (RF) and Goodyear Assurance Tripletread (non-RF), I'll go with Tripletread every time.

quads · 01-05-2016, 12:26 AM

I just ordered PSS 225/50/18 from tr.com $147 each!

jagger x1 · 01-05-2016, 06:38 PM

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I am a big fan of the Conti DWS's.

me too.

I've been running them on my S2000 for a long time.
I've been buying just the DW in recent years.

Shock96 · 01-13-2016, 06:18 PM

I know this will most likely cause some debate...but I am thinking of getting a set of Cooper RS3-S.

I have been using Cooper tires on various rigs over the years and they have all been excellent. I put a set of RS3-A on my Mazda 3 and they were quite and handling was great.

The S is said to be excellent. In tire shootouts it has finished very well so I am thinking of giving a set a shot on whatever rims I buy for summer.

quads · 01-13-2016, 06:29 PM

I just put on pss 225/50/18 and they are fantastic

cdog · 01-14-2016, 07:03 PM

Just a heads up to Ja Gio and anybody else who might be concerned - the tire pressure warning is to flag tires that are seriously low - something like 25% - and are likely to cause catastrophic failures (remember the Ford Explorers with Firestones). It's not a good indicator of proper inflation. I can't remember if the vehicle info screen shows actual pressure at the tires (?) but there's no sub for a decent pressure gauge. Don't know about the digital ones - the dial ones can be good if you spend the money.
Also improper inflation will magnify uneven wear on the low profile tires - the lower the tire the greater the influence. Car companies (decent ones) have engineered things & figured the best infllation & I always use that as a guide. Sometimes there's a reason for different pressures front to back - different loads, different tires, etc. our MSport X1 specs higher rears but they're bigger & they're the driving wheels & need better traction. My old Integra GSR specd higher front pressure than rear (front drive). A little more pressure than factory specs is usually okay & often better but you need to be careful. At least this applies to street driving. If you're tracking your car your on your own.

Ja Gio · 01-15-2016, 11:38 AM

Cdog - thanks for that - much appreciated.

d1saster · 01-15-2016, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by cdog

Just a heads up to Ja Gio and anybody else who might be concerned - the tire pressure warning is to flag tires that are seriously low - something like 25%

You can reset the warning to come earlier. Overinflate your tires then reset the tpms. Then deflate the tires to proper pressure.

vstolpner · 01-15-2016, 04:27 PM

I'm not sure that would work. If you're talking about sensor based TPMS then the computer reads the actual pressure from the sensors and the reset only gets the ECU to recognize new sensors - not the new pressure from the sensors.
In case of ABS based TPMS even overinflating and deflating would keep the relative rotational frequency the same and again this would not work. This is why ABS based TPMS can't recognize an even deflating of all tires and will only show a significantly deflated single tire.

12-17-2015, 08:04 PM	#23
leatherpants Hide Encased Member 4 Rep 104 Posts Drives: 2013 X1 xDrive28i Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Marijuanaville, WA iTrader: (0)	FWIW, I replaced the worn out stock tires on my 2013 with the Pirellis and they've been very good - especially in the wet Northwest weather. Better than stock for sure.
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Ja Gio Private First Class 23 Rep 184 Posts Drives: X1 xDrive28i, 2013 Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Maryland iTrader: (0)	Had a set of Conti DWS06 installed today - $842, with a local independent shop. Maybe not the cheapest, but I'm happy to keep some locals guys employed. I've had the X1 since March, replaced one tire after picking up a nail at my BMW dealer - $310. Recently spotted unusual wear on the other rear tire - had the car in for scheduled service, and asked about a warranty on the tire, the fellow just chuckled - woulda been another $310.
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12-22-2015, 06:51 PM	#26
Ja Gio Private First Class 23 Rep 184 Posts Drives: X1 xDrive28i, 2013 Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Maryland iTrader: (0)	My thought was that it was a camber issue - the service writer twice said the pattern was consistent with an underinflated tire - I countered that my low pressure warning had never come on - he shrugged. The Contis seem a good deal quieter, quite stable at high speed (a little over 90), no loss of confidence cornering (didn't push too hard due to rain). It was a lazy ride to work and an aggressive one home. Looks like I lost as much as 4 mpg when trying to max economy, 35 down to 31.
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Ja Gio Private First Class 23 Rep 184 Posts Drives: X1 xDrive28i, 2013 Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Maryland iTrader: (0)	Thanks. Toe was my other thought. About 400 highway miles per week. The second band of tread, from the outside, was heavily worn.
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12-23-2015, 10:55 AM	#29
vstolpner Captain 25 Rep 673 Posts Drives: 2019 F39 X2 m35i Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Vancouver, BC iTrader: (0)	I might be wrong but from what I know wear due to tire pressure has to be symmetric on the tire itself. So if it's with on the inside of the tire, it had to be worn on the outside as well.
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12-23-2015, 09:09 PM	#32
Ja Gio Private First Class 23 Rep 184 Posts Drives: X1 xDrive28i, 2013 Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Maryland iTrader: (0)	Thanks, guys. I think you're both correct, but I was ready for the new non run-flats, the new tires are on and the olds are gone. I considered posting photos of the wear pattern and asking for opinions, but rather, moved on. I do need to keep an eye on the new tires, looking for signs of wear - if it was toe, I assume it will repeat.
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12-23-2015, 11:44 PM	#33
vstolpner Captain 25 Rep 673 Posts Drives: 2019 F39 X2 m35i Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Vancouver, BC iTrader: (0)	Most definitely. Might even be worth it to find a shop that will be able to assess your suspension so you can go back to your dealership and tell them to fix it. Make sure to mention the wear pattern when you're getting the suspension checked. Alternatively buy a very accurate tread depth gauge and keep checking it every couple thousand miles (maybe more often). Once you're able to see the wear visually it's too late
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12-30-2015, 06:27 PM	#34
jagger x1 New Member 0 Rep 13 Posts Drives: z4, x1, 328 Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Yonderland PA iTrader: (0)	running a set of Hancook dedicated snow tires on my 328i x-drive. non run-flats, and the improvement in ride quality is very noticable. my wife typically drives this car, and works close to home, so I stuffed a can of fix a flat in the trunk, and hope for the best. I miss my old '03 325xi with it's full-size matching wheel spare in the trunk.......but all those years, and it never had to be used. tires are a lot better than they used to be. jagg
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12-30-2015, 10:44 PM	#35
Papashawnsky New Member 6 Rep 15 Posts Drives: 2014 BMW X1 28iXDrive Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Palatine, IL iTrader: (0)	I am a big fan of the Conti DWS's. Had them on my Mazda3 before I traded it in for the X1. Once these tires run bald I will be buying them again. Not a fan of RFT's - going to keep an inflator in my car and if it's damaged beyond that I guess I'll have it towed. P.S. Discount Tire carries another Conti, similar to DWS but called something else, those are the ones I had on my Mazda and were excellent.
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12-31-2015, 01:12 AM	#36
vstolpner Captain 25 Rep 673 Posts Drives: 2019 F39 X2 m35i Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Vancouver, BC iTrader: (0)	I recently got a flat on my non-RFT's and had to put the original run flats on the car. Immediately the car felt much worse. The ride was harsher, more road noise, and it didn't feel any more sporty or better connected to the road. Also the speed bumps are noticeably harsher. Just my experience and obviously I haven't tried the other tires, but between Goodyear Eagle LS2 (RF) and Goodyear Assurance Tripletread (non-RF), I'll go with Tripletread every time.
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01-05-2016, 12:26 AM	#37
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01-13-2016, 06:18 PM	#39
Shock96 That was a hell of a thing... 22 Rep 168 Posts Drives: 2013 xDrive 35i M Sport Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Olympia, WA iTrader: (0)	I know this will most likely cause some debate...but I am thinking of getting a set of Cooper RS3-S. I have been using Cooper tires on various rigs over the years and they have all been excellent. I put a set of RS3-A on my Mazda 3 and they were quite and handling was great. The S is said to be excellent. In tire shootouts it has finished very well so I am thinking of giving a set a shot on whatever rims I buy for summer.
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01-13-2016, 06:29 PM	#40
quads Lieutenant Colonel 70 Rep 1,672 Posts Drives: bac mono Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: racetrack iTrader: (3)	I just put on pss 225/50/18 and they are fantastic
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01-14-2016, 07:03 PM	#41
cdog New Member 5 Rep 17 Posts Drives: X1s2.8iMSport;2008 S2K;X3x28iM Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: California iTrader: (0)	Just a heads up to Ja Gio and anybody else who might be concerned - the tire pressure warning is to flag tires that are seriously low - something like 25% - and are likely to cause catastrophic failures (remember the Ford Explorers with Firestones). It's not a good indicator of proper inflation. I can't remember if the vehicle info screen shows actual pressure at the tires (?) but there's no sub for a decent pressure gauge. Don't know about the digital ones - the dial ones can be good if you spend the money. Also improper inflation will magnify uneven wear on the low profile tires - the lower the tire the greater the influence. Car companies (decent ones) have engineered things & figured the best infllation & I always use that as a guide. Sometimes there's a reason for different pressures front to back - different loads, different tires, etc. our MSport X1 specs higher rears but they're bigger & they're the driving wheels & need better traction. My old Integra GSR specd higher front pressure than rear (front drive). A little more pressure than factory specs is usually okay & often better but you need to be careful. At least this applies to street driving. If you're tracking your car your on your own.
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01-15-2016, 11:38 AM	#42
Ja Gio Private First Class 23 Rep 184 Posts Drives: X1 xDrive28i, 2013 Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Maryland iTrader: (0)	Cdog - thanks for that - much appreciated.
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01-15-2016, 04:27 PM	#44
vstolpner Captain 25 Rep 673 Posts Drives: 2019 F39 X2 m35i Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Vancouver, BC iTrader: (0)	I'm not sure that would work. If you're talking about sensor based TPMS then the computer reads the actual pressure from the sensors and the reset only gets the ECU to recognize new sensors - not the new pressure from the sensors. In case of ABS based TPMS even overinflating and deflating would keep the relative rotational frequency the same and again this would not work. This is why ABS based TPMS can't recognize an even deflating of all tires and will only show a significantly deflated single tire.
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