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Mini = BMW
Mini = FWD Mini = Fantastic therefore BMW = FWD = Fantastic GTFOver It!
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Just adding more to my first post in this thread, what's the point of having FWD or RWD anyway? Like someone said, isn't he whole point of the X-Series is to have xDrive just for it's class of vehicles? |
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07-03-2012, 09:06 PM | #25 |
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Well, I am trading my Mini Clubman S because I can't stand front wheel drive. The reason I am buying the X1 is because it is offered in a rear wheel drive. If the X1 wasn't available in rear wheel drive I'd buy the 3 series wagon because I have no need for all wheel drive because of the weight, handling and gas mileage penalty. I've bought BMW's since 1995 and they keep getting less fun to drive and the X1 is just what I have been waiting for. This will be my 14th new BMW and I really don't care what X stands for. It means SUV to me not all wheel drive, 10 years ago BMW didn't even have all wheel drive so the X doesn't mean squat. I think they should offer X5 and X3 in rear wheel drive. Lexus has the best selling luxury SUV and they sell it in front wheel drive or all wheel drive (I hate Lexus by the way).
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07-03-2012, 10:39 PM | #26 |
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Wow, it's coming... It won't be too long, a generation or two and the 3 series will be FWD too
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07-04-2012, 10:22 AM | #28 |
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FWD is alway better on snow and smoother handling for non aggressive driver. What I trying ro say is, some people might not be able to afford AWD but they could still drive a BMW. BMW is trying to get a hold on all market share.
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07-04-2012, 12:13 PM | #29 | |
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http://f20.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=536650 It doesn't take a CEO to know that you want to make as many products as possible off of one platform. The UKL platform will be the basis of the next-generation 1-series, which includes at least three distinct 5-door models in the City Compact, the Fast Activity Sports Tourer, and the Gran Turismo, as well as a possible fourth 3-door model. It will also be the basis of the next-gen F56 MINI line, which if the current lineup is any indication, will likely have a half dozen unique models. Lastly, it will also form the foundation of the new Z2, which replaces the old Z1/Z3. Having that many models built off of one platform is a good ROI on the R&D costs involved with building said platform. The UKL platform has been talked about and spotted testing for well over a year, even though we won't see the first product based on this platform for at least two. And yet, there hasn't been any reports to suggest that the next-generation X1 is going to get a unique platform (which would be highly cost inefficient), nor share its underpinnings with the F30 (which would make it too large for the market segment it's intended for). If BMW has a platform that would fit a compact SUV, why would it not make it the basis of the next X1? While plans can always change, I would be very surprised if most, if not all, of the above came to pass.
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07-05-2012, 06:56 AM | #30 |
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Nothing wrong with this. Whys everybody upset? All this means is the next gen x1/1er and those city models will platform share with mini. More cost effective. These arent core bmw models anyway. U guys are acting like the 3er is going fwd or something.....
Look this is still better than vw/audi with their mqb and mlb platform, neither of which is rwd. At best, you can get a mlb longitudinal quattro model, which still uses the haldex center open diff to get at most 60% of the power to the rear.
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07-05-2012, 10:46 AM | #32 |
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I would be very upset if the new FWD cars no longer handle like the RWD cars. Although I know that there is physical limitation which makes FWD cars understeer at high speed, I want to hold onto the roller coaster bar and see what magic BMW can deliver. After all, they promise the ultimate driving machine to their fans.
Maybe fitting an Integral Active Steering or something would make the FWD handles like a RWD. RWD has some disadvantages too. Climbing for RWD is quite inefficient, just like how we push a shopping kart up the curb. FWD will deliver a smoother climbing experience. If X1 gets a FWD along with IAS, maybe the over all driving experience could be better. Last edited by polesx; 07-05-2012 at 12:58 PM.. |
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FWD cars inherently do not drive as well, since 60-70% of the weight is on the front axle. Honda was able to make "good" handling FWD cars because they used DWS and lightweight chassis, but they were still not as good as RWD Bimmers. BMW can say all they want, but this change is purely for volume and lowering costs (and increase MPG). My next car will most likely be a 1-series with a NA engine (which the BMW heritage and mystic was built on), before they change to the F20 model. I've driven a Mini, and I definitely prefer the drive of the 1-series over it. |
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07-05-2012, 02:22 PM | #34 |
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Torque steer on Mini's is horrible. Try making a right hand turn from a stop with traffic coming in a Mini and then pray you actually get some traction. I have a Clubman S and although it handles great you can not get the tires (even new tires) to not spin like crazy. I feel like my life is at stake every time I have to excellerate quickly from a stop. I have rented a lot of front wheel drive cars and they just can't equal the feel and confidence of rear wheel drive.
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If they neuter the product, eventually the brand will be neutered as well. They can sell FWD cars as something else if they like, expand Mini even more, create a new badge, JV with another make, etc. Just don't sell them as BMW's (at least not in the US). |
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If they continue to make great cars that I enjoy driving, I don't personally care if they also make some FWD models for the purpose of business-efficiency.
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Their turbo-charged engines still offer great performance, their 4-cylinder turbo performs like a V6. So the sport is still there, because the rest of the package remained. Though, EPS has hurt their reputation if you read the car mags. You need to look at it from a brand perspective. If they start selling FWD Bimmers, what makes them any different than Acura, Volvo or FWD Audi's? Acura makes some great handling FWD cars and they have better reliability. People buy BMW's despite the relatively mediocre reliability and high maintenance costs because once you drive one, it is hard to beat the experience. You think Cadillac switched their "sporty" models to RWD for the heck of it? No because BMW, Mercedes, etc. all preached that true Tier 1 luxury cars are RWD and RWD offers a better driving experience. Once they switch to FWD, they will not be producing a car that is as fun-to-drive any more and not a real BMW. A FWD BMW is not "The Ultimate Driving Experience" and true to the brand. |
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Perhaps I'm misinterpreting what you're saying; but are you seriously proposing a standardization across all manufacturers, in all markets of each category? |
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07-09-2012, 08:41 AM | #41 | |
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And obviously the X3 is much more spacious inside, and also more expensive than the X1, and has the option of variable dampers. So there is a place for the X1 as BMW's entry-level SUV - and it's perfectly adequate for young/small families. |
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Some people just don't want or need something as big as an X5 or X3. I'm 59 but placed an order for the X1 for fuel economy , fun to drive factor, handling etc. I've owned an X5 and two X3's and my wife and I don't need something as large as those two vehicles.
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Here here. I'm not young either. But my wife and I just traded our 535i xDrive in for the X1 xDrive28i. Needed more ground clearance.
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