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He also seems to think the Z4 30i will indeed become a 28i, though doesn't confirm this comes from BMW. However, he's probably right, which means it looks like 28i will become the standard name for all the N20B20-powered vehicles in the BMW product range. |
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Second point is that BMW is powering a SUV with only 230hp that weights 3300 unladen, which is lethargic even compared against a lowly Honda v6 Accord. (Remember BMW owners wants to buy a superior product than those owned by proletarians) In addition, SUV is suppose to carry and haul. 4 adults in a X1 means 230hp is used to push near 4000lbs of weight, hardly exhilarating. Quote:
Don't get me wrong, this is a technologically advance engine. May even win BMW few awards but try to beat that 4 cylinder engine image is HARD.
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I think that there are both enough BMW's owners who buy the car for the badge and don't care about what's under the hood, and enough who care about the engine and will love the turbo 4 cylinder to make the X1 a huge seller in the US. Additionally, I suspect that the rest of the N20 powered vehicles in the BMW lineup with sell as good or better than their N52 predecessors.
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Perhaps the biggest irony here is that there is even an argument over which is the more “manly” engine to put in a BMW cute ute that may only be available with a slush box. Although, I really want this car (if it’s available with a manual), it will only have one or two hairs on its chest regardless of what’s under the hood. The blown 4 is a perfectly suited engine for this car IMHO.
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Somebody at the Toronto Auto Show from BMW said that it was 241 HP. He also said that this was the second most fuel efficient car in the fleet (after the 335d).
My ol' 325i had about 185HP and I was happy with it at the time. I think that the worst thing that people can do is drive a bigger-engined car. You will then never be happy with anything smaller. The new X1 will be perfect for my wife.
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The turbo 4 in the X1 will hit 6.1 second 0-60 with a manual and 6.5 with an automatic. The X3 with the 3.0 hits 6.7 seconds and no manual offered. One major point for ever wanting the turbo 4 is the gas milage. We won't see the EPA ratings for quite some time but I have to believe it will get 21 city and 30 on the highway. My previous 2007 X3 with the 3.0 was rated 17 city and 24 highway but I never got over 22.5 on the highway ever and got about 18 around town. The new X3 with the 3.0 is not much better and in fact is rated less than the turbo 6.
As for BMW not making a smooth 4 cylinder turbo I'm am very impressed with my Clubman S. That little 1.6 liter turbo 4 is smooth as hell and will flat run all day. |
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Acoustics — intelligent solutions for more efficiency, comfort and dynamics.
here's an article "official BMW Group" that shows BMW interest in testing acoustic systems to mimic desirable engine note "artificially" the system being tested now include diesel engines on a 6 series and a 4 cylinders turbo engine. the idea is to allow the user to adjust the engine note inside the cabin to his taste...what a strange idea ha! have a look, sounds interesting
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A4 is also increasingly purchased by younger and female buyers who are stepping in from the exodus of typical male buyer, who don't want a 4 cylinder. Sure A4 2.0T is a hit but not so much with its historic customer base. I am male, in my 30s, so when I said I don't think people will want a 4 cylinder engine I am speaking from my point generation. http://www.motorwayamerica.com/edito...t-most-changes Quote:
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That's precisely why I'm worried. Had a 2011 MCS a few weekends ago as a loaner, and while it's smooth for a 4 banger and had decent kick (it did have some noticeable lag BTW and yes I tried DS/manual mode with sport on), it's not a good sounding motor or anywhere near as smooth as a N52. The 328i loaner I had with my last oil change had a superior motor.
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By the way, the harmonics of a four cylinder are only bad when the displacement gets up higher than 2.25 liters, which is why most of the motors mentioned above are under that size. |
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The lag in the MCS wasn't due to the turbo it is due to the automatic. Ask any Mini owner and it's a known fact that the delay is a transmission issue with the automatic. I had a bad delay in my X3 automatic transmission (different transmission and different motor) but it was not related to the engine. There's no turbo lag in a manual 1.6 turbo s engine in the Mini's.
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Again Sir, I assume you are making a sweeping statement that there is a stigma against 4cyl in the USA . It certainly is not the case elswhere in the world. In fact Europe (and elsewhere) has generally moved away from from 6/8-cyl petrol cars in the small to medium segment. There are many reasons for this but will only name a few: 1. They are expensive to run (our fuel is now $13 per gallon) 2. They are dirty, ie high emissions on which many countries now tax drivers 3. They very often attract luxury taxes 4. They offer no advantage what so ever over the more modern 4cyl's. Now the car manufacturers know this and as a result the development of large capacity 6/8 cyl engines has all but been stopped. Of course there are exceptions like Ferrari, Porsche etc but even they are eyeing smaller capacity alternatives. If the American consumer thinks these high performance 4cyl's are "girly" or "not smooth enough" or "not big enough" they are in for a wee surprise. All manufacturers (except some well publicised USA dinosaurs) are going this way. Although I would hazard a guess Sir that your views are not entirely representative of the majority of drivers in NA either.
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I don't think heavy, high displacement vehicles are going away. SUV sales are returning from the low, and as SCOTT's comments have indicated X5, X6 are hot, even in emerging markets, and cases can be made for Porsche's Cayenne. In fact the panamera and cayenne have been out selling lower displacement, lower emission caymans. I am going to make a bold claim: most people don't care for the environment until 1) it hurts their pocket book, 2) acid rain comes down in their backyard. If they do we wouldn't need luxury or gas guzzler tax, or mandatory emission standards.
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I'm an American, have owned 13 BMW's none of which have had a V8 and would not take a Tahoe, Ford or Chevy or Ram pick up or SUV if you gave it to me. I'm not interested in a 6.2 liter Chevy engine. I wouldn't buy a BMW with a V8. Totally disagree we want the biggest engine we can get, look at the summer of 2007 when gas went to $4 and you couldn't give away those vehicles. Gas will probably hit $4 this year and keep rising so the day is coming when almost all V8's be will gone. Ford's getting ready to put a 4 cylinder turbo in the Explorer, Chevy is putting one in the Regal and it won't be long before Camaro's and other "sports cars" will get them. I don't want to waste gas, I'm not a tree hugger but when I can drive my turbo 4 Mini Clubman S and get 28-29 mpg in the city I'll take that all day. I would never consider a V8 in a car or SUV, I have the money to buy and drive any car I want and I drive a 335i. Once you get decent gas milage you don't ever want to go back. When I'm done driving my 335i (which could be soon if the HPFP goes out) I will get a 4 cylinder turbo BMW. Times are changing, someday soon gas will be be $4-6 in the US and the entire dynamics will change, people will discover they don't really need having their wife driving around in a Tahoe getting 14 mpg and feeling like your driving a barge.
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I don't think BMW cares who buys the cars, as long as sales goals are met. Also, in your original hypothesis you neither qualified the age/sex issue, nor mentioned you were arguing from that perspective. I can't respond to information I don't have, but even if you'd brought these things up the point is weak at best. I firmly believe that all the 4 cylinder BMW's will be huge successes in the US, and I think if we revist the issue in two years time the facts will bear this out.
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