C&D Reviews New X1 (2016)

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When I heard the 16 X1 was FWD/Fake AWD, first thing I did was go buy 15 sDrive. FWD and Haldex are epic fails when throwing the car into corners and not being able to accelerate out. The understeer leaves no confidence. That being said, the new X1 will probably get larger market acceptance due to its interior size. BMW's saving grace is the 3/5 series GT but they cost a boatload more.

Another thing I liked about the existing X1's is that it's high off the ground but with low seating position. New X1 has higher seating position and is definitely going to feel more like an X3 than a 3 series.

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Originally Posted by Alfisti

Oh agreed, but the 14 of you that optioned the 35i are not BMW's concern. You're too small a market.

yes, we are a small market, but that doesn't mean we can't voice our displeasure with the direction BMW decided to go with the new F48. If they would have kept the chassis and frame modular perhaps that would have permitted room for a 6cyl - to be sold in limited quantities - like a X6M or X5M. they too might only have few buyers (14 of the them but BMW still produces M versions. Like I said before, the new F48 is a step down in performance but a likely big gain for BMW in the sales department since it's roomier and more fuel efficient. that would suit 90% of the public in this very competitive bracket.

[zero-2-sixty]

Originally Posted by PrematureApex

Maybe you're not up to speed, but BMW has already announced plans for a 300+ HP (turbo 4) version of the new X1.

Not that it will be a big seller either. Again, it's a very small market for a high-performance version of a car like this.

that's unfortunate that it will not be the smooth, turbo inline 6 (B58) because they built the vehicle on a front wheel drive platform. I don't like it, but I do understand why they decided to go this direction.

[PrematureApex]

Yup, not a shocker. If you make a decent-sized crossover with a straight six, you wind up with a very slightly more svelte X3.

[atomic]

Originally Posted by paradoxical3

It is a sad day when people are so proud of proclaiming their conformity.

It is pretty mind boggling that you think any more than 240 horsepower is useless. You know how you can use 400whp? Or 1000whp even? It's pretty simple - press the accelerator pedal down more than 1/8th of the way.

I use all 500 crank horsepower of my x1 every single day. I use it on the highway, I use it on on-ramps. I use it to pass quickly and safely on one-lane roads, and I use it to haul people and equipment camping without the car feeling like it has 10 horsepower. I use it on Pike's Peak at high elevation, and I use it when towing. I also use it on the road course, drag strip, and on road rallies. I use it when a Porsche 911 Carrera S tries to illegally pass me and fails because he is not expecting 450ft/lbs of torque from an X1.

I also indirectly use it when I go to cars and coffee, and when I meet up with various car clubs. People wouldn't look twice at your 240 horsepower X1, but my 500 horsepower X1 with Stoptechs draws a crowd when they hear the engine note as I downshift and pull in- it is unique and different in a way a 28i can never be. I have met many friends and great people in the car world that I would never have met if I had the 28i because frankly, car enthusiasts don't really care about a 4 cylinder engine putting out 240 horsepower in a SAV. But a 500 horsepower hot hatch set up for the track? Yup - people are interested in that.

I also indirectly "use" the extra power when I smile at the torque at 2krpm, when I hear the smooth engine note, and when I am grateful my engine sounds like a buttery smooth inline 6 instead of a diesel weed wacker.

I also get 28mpg on the highway if I do the speed limit (it happens occasionally), which frankly is 1-2mpg at best off from the greatly compromised 4 cylinder engine. Nobody is getting their claimed EPA ratings with it, just look at all of the complaint threads.

Basically, if you don't understand how more than 240 horsepower is usable, you should probably get out more.

I am not saying more than 240 horsepower is useless. And my stock x28 x1 has more than 240 horsepower. And you totally discount torque. The x28 does not need more horsepower. It is faster than 99 percent of the cars on the road. It is faster than my old Infiniti FX45 that had 315 horsepower. Horsepower alone does not mean much into telling you how fast a vehicle will be. I had a motorcycle with less than 100 horsepower that could do 0 to 60 mph in the 2's.

I am glad you met people because you have a 300 horsepower car. How impressive. Mercedes makes a station wagon that gets 577 horsepower stock. You call your 300 horsepower car a performance vehicle??? oh how silly of you. You are just kidding yourself into believing it is a performancce vehicle. A Ford F150 v-8 has more horsepower and torque than your hatchback.

And keep kidding yourself saying you have 500 horsepower. It is rated 300 horsepower.

[atomic]

Originally Posted by PrematureApex

Of course, the X1 is a 3800 lb. pope mobile!

But I wasn't drawing a comparison to anything. He said a Golf R (which wasn't even close to being available back then) is faster than your X1. I just correct him as a side-note.

Surprised he even brought up another "useless" car though.

The Golf-R is faster than his X1. It isn't close. Both small hatchbacks with 4 wheel drive. I guess he should be complaining to himself of the lack of performacne from his X1.

[PrematureApex]

Originally Posted by atomic

I am not saying more than 240 horsepower is useless.

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Originally Posted by atomic

The 4 in my X1 has ton of power the six really has no purpose on American roads with speed limits no higher than 75.

Sorry, you said "no purpose" vs. "useless".

Originally Posted by atomic

And keep kidding yourself saying you have 500 horsepower. It is rated 300 horsepower

Are you just trolling?

http://www.german**********/content....-11-9-116-pass

11 second BMW X1? Yep. Congratulations to *********** member paradoxical3 who managed to break into the 11's with his modified BMW X1. He had Pure Turbo modify the OEM N55 turbocharger and the result is a 11.930 @ 116.11 in the 1/4 mile. Yes, that is quicker and faster than a BMW X5M with its 560 horsepower S63 5.5 liter twin turbo V8. A modified X1 can easily run with the big boys and shows how important power to weight is.

This 11.930 @ 116.11 pass improves quite a bit on @paradoxical3's bolt on performance which produced a 12.137 @ 111.20 in the 1/4 mile. The car clearly gained quite a bit of horsepower with the turbo upgrade as evidenced by the trap speed and there is also definitely more in it as the tuning evolves.

(edit, just google the partial link). His car is in the 11's at 116 or 117...with very respectable laptimes on roadcourses as well.

Maybe he's a bit under 500, but it's closer to 500 than it is to 400.

You're really struggling to keep up with the conversation here...

[paradoxical3]

Originally Posted by atomic

I am glad you met people because you have a 300 horsepower car..... You call your 300 horsepower car a performance vehicle??? oh how silly of you. ....You are just kidding yourself into believing it is a performancce vehicle.
And keep kidding yourself saying you have 500 horsepower. It is rated 300 horsepower.

Wow, I guess BMW horsepower must be extra special because this is pretty crazy for a 300 horsepower vehicle! The 500whp Camaro on drag slicks that trapped 118mph should be really embarrassed then!

[PrematureApex]

Originally Posted by atomic

The Golf-R is faster than his X1. It isn't close. Both small hatchbacks with 4 wheel drive. I guess he should be complaining to himself of the lack of performacne from his X1.

Ahhh, no.

The Golf R is much, much slower than HIS X1, that goes for a straight line and a road course as well.

Mine, it's certainly a bit faster than a stock R in a straight line, but probably not around a track.

Stock, while they cut similar 0-60 times, the Golf R is walking away after that with a 104 or 105 MPH trap speed.



Again are you even reading any of this thread, or skimming only partial sentences here and there, and throwing out posts?

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Is it any wonder why a certain poster has one whole reputation point? Wrong much?

Bought our 35i off of lease today. Drove a bunch of F series, nothing good. Only serious considerations were non BMW.

[atomic]

Originally Posted by PrematureApex

Ahhh, no.

The Golf R is much, much slower than HIS X1, that goes for a straight line and a road course as well.

Mine, it's certainly a bit faster than a stock R in a straight line, but probably not around a track.

Stock, while they cut similar 0-60 times, the Golf R is walking away after that with a 104 or 105 MPH trap speed.



Again are you even reading any of this thread, or skimming only partial sentences here and there, and throwing out posts?

The claimed 0 to 60 times the golf r is faster. Since he is using claimed figures on x28 we should stick to claimed numbers on x35.

And claimed numbers on. X35 x1 is 300 horsepower.

[atomic]

Originally Posted by PrematureApex

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Sorry, you said "no purpose" vs. "useless".



Are you just trolling?

http://www.german**********/content....-11-9-116-pass



(edit, just google the partial link). His car is in the 11's at 116 or 117...with very respectable laptimes on roadcourses as well.

Maybe he's a bit under 500, but it's closer to 500 than it is to 400.

You're really struggling to keep up with the conversation here...

X1 35 quarter mile time is 13.8.

[paradoxical3]

Originally Posted by atomic

The claimed 0 to 60 times the golf r is faster. Since he is using claimed figures on x28 we should stick to claimed numbers on x35.

And claimed numbers on. X35 x1 is 300 horsepower.

Claimed numbers are for people like you who have zero experiencing with performance driving. It's called "magazine racing."

I prefer actual numbers, because that's all that matters when two cars are actually on the road in the actual word actually racing each other.

And in the real world, there is no Golf R on dragtimes.org that has a stock frame turbo that traps higher than my X1. For a modded Golf R to be faster in a straight line than a modded X1, it needs an upgraded turbo like a GTX2867R.

[paradoxical3]

Originally Posted by atomic

X1 35 quarter mile time is 13.8.

Not mine

[PrematureApex]

Originally Posted by atomic

The claimed 0 to 60 times the golf r is faster. Since he is using claimed figures on x28 we should stick to claimed numbers on x35.

And claimed numbers on. X35 x1 is 300 horsepower.

Are you ESL?

You said, specifically, HIS X1. Here, I'll quote it for you, because you can't seem to keep up:

Originally Posted by atomic

The Golf-R is faster than his X1. It isn't close. Both small hatchbacks with 4 wheel drive. I guess he should be complaining to himself of the lack of performacne from his X1.

His X1. Get it? His X1 is much, much faster than a Golf R.

Here's another one:

Originally Posted by atomic

And keep kidding yourself saying you have 500 horsepower. It is rated 300 horsepower.

He does (or just about).

How about being accountable for the things you post vs. moving the target every time someone responds to you?



And why are you making this an x28 vs. x35 issue?

It's like you're reading entirely different thread than the rest of us.

Please, stop posting, for all of us.

[PrematureApex]

Originally Posted by atomic

X1 35 quarter mile time is 13.8.

Ahhh, thanks? We're well aware. That has nothing to do with the conversation.

I've said, specifically, that after 60, the Golf R is faster than a stock X1 (both have been clocked at 5.3 stock). Do i need to quote that for you again? What I made a note of was that a Golf R isn't faster than my X1, nor Para's X1. Nor is the Golf R even relevant in the slightest, as it wasn't available when we bought our cars. These are facts.

Jesus you are an idiot. I'm sorry to be mean, but I've never seen anything like it...the worst case of selective reading/strawmaning I've seen in quite a while.

And STILL you refuse to address the actual points being discussed.

[paradoxical3]

Originally Posted by PrematureApex

Ahhh, thanks? We're well aware. That has nothing to do with the conversation.

I've said, specifically, that after 60, the Golf R is faster than a stock X1 (both have been clocked at 5.3 stock). Do i need to quote that for you again? What I made a note of was that a Golf R isn't faster than my X1, nor Para's X1. Nor is the Golf R even relevant in the slightest, as it wasn't available when we bought our cars.

Jesus you are an idiot. I'm sorry to be mean, but I've never seen anything like it...the worst case of selective reading/strawmaning I've seen in quite a while.

And STILL you refuse to address the actual points being discussed.

I think he is just trolling, it takes one to know one and I definitely know one.

[PrematureApex]

Originally Posted by paradoxical3

I think he is just trolling, it takes one to know one and I definitely know one.

Right there with you.

But...

If he's trolling, then I've never seen him not troll. I think he posts something without thinking, and then instead of just saying "whoops, sorry", he ust pretends he said or meant something else.

Anyway, no big deal...it's entertaining. God that's pathetic.

[atomic]

Originally Posted by PrematureApex

Ahhh, thanks? We're well aware. That has nothing to do with the conversation.

I've said, specifically, that after 60, the Golf R is faster than a stock X1 (both have been clocked at 5.3 stock). Do i need to quote that for you again? What I made a note of was that a Golf R isn't faster than my X1, nor Para's X1. Nor is the Golf R even relevant in the slightest, as it wasn't available when we bought our cars. These are facts.

Jesus you are an idiot. I'm sorry to be mean, but I've never seen anything like it...the worst case of selective reading/strawmaning I've seen in quite a while.

And STILL you refuse to address the actual points being discussed.

What does hearsay about modified cars have to do with anything? I am talking stock vehicles. You can modify any car to make it fast if you spend enough money. I dont really care what para claims his ghetto looking car can do. He said the 28 wasnt a high performance car. When even the claimed quarter mile difference is less than a second and we know they are closer than claimed.

I didnt start the argument. Para is downgrading a car with a engine that won engine of the year. And when i was Autobahn in my mercedes rentalbdoing 105 mph plenty of 4 cylinder X1 were flying by me.

No one wants to pay 45k plus for an X1. That is the reason it didnt sell with the six. You are getting into audi q5 audi all road, bmw 328 wagon, x3, mercedes glk range. No way people are going to buy an x1 over them.

[paradoxical3]

Originally Posted by atomic

The claimed 0 to 60 times the golf r is faster. Since he is using claimed figures on x28 we should stick to claimed numbers on x35.

And claimed numbers on. X35 x1 is 300 horsepower.

Originally Posted by atomic

And my stock x28 x1 has more than 240 horsepower.

Originally Posted by atomic

Para is downgrading a car with a engine that won engine of the year.

http://www.bmwblog.com/2014/06/25/n5...ar-award-2014/

Originally Posted by atomic

And when i was Autobahn in my mercedes rentalbdoing 105 mph plenty of 4 cylinder X1 were flying by me.

The really funny thing is that your car is electronically limited to 130mph, 25mph less than mine is. And I drive over 130mph many, many, many times a year (on the track, of course). I would never buy such a slow car that could not drive over 130mph.

[atomic]

Originally Posted by PrematureApex

Right there with you.

But...

If he's trolling, then I've never seen him not troll. I think he posts something without thinking, and then instead of just saying "whoops, sorry", he ust pretends he said or meant something else.

Anyway, no big deal...it's entertaining. God that's pathetic.

You are trolling. Going on about your 35 that is marginally faster and has antiquated transmission. And blasting the 4 cylinder that I love. The engine , transmission and handling are the highlights of the car among all the other failings. From poor gas mileage, terrible sound system, horrible seats, and lack of rear seat room or cargo space.

[atomic]

Originally Posted by paradoxical3

http://www.bmwblog.com/2014/06/25/n5...ar-award-2014/

Thanks for the link. It says the engine has peak horsepower of 306.