12-13-2013, 06:11 AM | #23 |
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New changes to improve the X1.
Major equipment and other options, competitive price, new design wheels as well as the exterior finish balanced Sparkling Brown. BMW is definitely brown massifying this for several of their cars X5, 2-Series, 4-Series, but also the manufacturer of cars that opted for this more earthy tones. I wonder if replacing the rare Marrakesh Brown or continue on sale? |
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12-13-2013, 09:25 AM | #24 | |
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12-13-2013, 11:01 AM | #25 |
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12-13-2013, 12:02 PM | #26 |
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I test drove a 2014 Subaru Forester Premium manual yesterday. The MSRP on that car was just below $25k. It had AWD, rear view camera, Bluetooth, power driver seat, cold weather package, auto dimming rear view and side mirrors (no sunroof unfortunately on the manual). The dealer can add aftermarket leather and navigation for less than 2k. The soft-touch plastics on the dash felt nicer than the X1. The car weighs about 3250 lbs. Seriously I was thinking why X1 costs 14k and weighs 500 lbs more than the Subie. Still trying to decide between these two cars.
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12-13-2013, 12:24 PM | #27 | |
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1) Forester is significantly larger and has much more rear space room and a little bit more trunk room. 2) If you compare a Forester vs. base model X1 (no fancy interior trim that comes with the different packages), the interior design is rather similar. Both have areas of soft touch plastic, both have some hard plastic, and both have silver painted plastic which is supposed to look like aluminum. 3) For the money the Forester has more features for the dollar. 4) The X1 handles much better and is much faster. So basically it comes down to how much you value performance. The difference in performance is not small. If that is not very important to you, then the Forester is an excellent car. It's comfortable, and performance is decent, but it's not a BMW. |
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12-13-2013, 12:49 PM | #28 | |
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The power in the manual forester that I drove was adequate (I guess low curb weight and no sunroof helps a lot here). An X1 with AWD and sunroof weighs more than 3800 lbs. The Forester weighs only 3250 lbs. With sunroof and CVT I guess it will feel much slower. I agree that X1 is much faster but for me the performance of Forester manual was OK and the fact that you had to push it adds some fun factor, vs X1 where you have to hold back to avoid tickets and 15 mpg. I noticed X1 handled better, even with sunroof, but the fun factor of better handling in X1 is partially offset by manual transmission in the Forester, for me at least. I have not driven an X1 without sunroof, has anyone noticed a difference in handling? I guess the sunroof weighs about 80 lbs, and being that high it should be noticeable even in regular driving. |
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12-17-2013, 02:50 AM | #29 |
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I have the base x1 28i with no sunroof. I don't feel any difference between the one with and w/o sunroof. an 80 pound sunroof is only half a person... I don't think you can detect that. Like the above said, it boils down to what you want. If you don't value performance and acceleration that much, then go with the subie, plus you get to save a couple grand. But if money was not an issue for me, I'd definitely get the x1.
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12-17-2013, 11:31 AM | #31 | |
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If, after doing that, you feel like the Forester is a strong fit for your objectives, buy it. The economics will be much better than with the X1. If, after doing that, you feel like nothing other than the BMW will speak to your soul, you can buy it without second-guessing. I just don't find that a feature-to-feature on-paper comparison works in that situation. Both are really good cars with differing appeal.
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12-18-2013, 05:43 AM | #34 |
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This might sound very minor and lack of any functionality, but a cluster visor covers with "soft-touch material highlighted by lapfolded seams" does bring the X1 up to par with the expected BMW, Audi and Benz premium elegance. The current rock hard plastic does bring the car interior quality level down a notch.
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12-18-2013, 10:00 AM | #35 | |
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After I totalled my wife's 2010 Subby Forester last spring, we test drove the Rav4, new Subby Forester, MB GLK 350 and X1 as potential replacments. Nothing came close to the handling and performance of the X1. She loves her X1. Only problem is - I'll never get her back into the cheaper cute-utes again.
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